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Offline Matthew

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Re: Exorcism: Devils drive out devils?????
« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2019, 11:32:43 AM »
With all due respect to the Sede trads out there, the Pope can't be the Antichrist. Totally impossible.

Putting "Catholic Pope" and "Antichrist" in the same sentence originated with the Protestants.

Protestant heretics think the Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon, etc. 

Such an interpretation of Scripture, Eschatology, etc. is COMPLETELY ANTI-CATHOLIC.
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Offline Kazimierz

Re: Exorcism: Devils drive out devils?????
« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2019, 02:48:16 PM »
Quote from: Matthew on May 14, 2019, 11:32:43 AM
With all due respect to the Sede trads out there, the Pope can't be the Antichrist. Totally impossible.

Putting "Catholic Pope" and "Antichrist" in the same sentence originated with the Protestants.

Protestant heretics think the Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon, etc.

Such an interpretation of Scripture, Eschatology, etc. is COMPLETELY ANTI-CATHOLIC.
Again, it all comes down to articles. Francis cannot be THE AntiChrist, but he is behaving like AN antichrist. 
Or another way of looking at it: real vs realistic, Hellenism vs Hellenistic.
The TRUE AntiChrist will make Francis look like a motherly Sunday morning school teacher. 
I am more curious -in a nonsinful way - as what will the Papacy and conciliar Rome be AFTER the present pontificate.
Of course every day brings us that much closer to The Great Chastisement. The battle tis done, but for the Church Militant the strife is far from over.
Yesterday, tied in with Fatima perhaps, was also the anniversary of the attempted assassination of JPII.
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Offline ByzCat3000

Re: Exorcism: Devils drive out devils?????
« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2019, 09:57:23 PM »
Quote from: Matthew on May 14, 2019, 11:32:43 AM
With all due respect to the Sede trads out there, the Pope can't be the Antichrist. Totally impossible.

Putting "Catholic Pope" and "Antichrist" in the same sentence originated with the Protestants.

Protestant heretics think the Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon, etc.

Such an interpretation of Scripture, Eschatology, etc. is COMPLETELY ANTI-CATHOLIC.
Before my conversion to the Catholic faith, I was the type of Reformed Protestant who still believed that Rome I was the Whore of Babylon, and that the Pope was the Antichrist.  Its taught in the Westminster Confession of Faith, which was my confession of faith prior to my conversion.

And for this reason, I have a hard time with the notion held by (many, not all) Sedes who think the same thing, just about the "Novus Ordo Church" particularly, and the "Vatican II antipopes" or a subset of them.

Furthermore, the Bible says the Antichrist will claim to be God.  I don't see any of that, either from John Paul II, or Francis, or whoever else.  That doesn't mean I think these are good popes, but I have a really hard time believing the Reformed and Lutherans were basically correct on eschatology and were just wrong on timing.  

On another note, I'm really curious about the alleged instance where a Novus Ordo priest was not able to perform an exorcism, but a CMRI priest would.  Are there any sources on that?

And since someone mentioned apostolic succession, do the Eastern Orthodox attempt exorcisms, and do they generally work?
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Offline poche

Re: Exorcism: Devils drive out devils?????
« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2019, 11:53:35 PM »
Quote from: ByzCat3000 on May 14, 2019, 09:57:23 PM
Before my conversion to the Catholic faith, I was the type of Reformed Protestant who still believed that Rome I was the Whore of Babylon, and that the Pope was the Antichrist.  Its taught in the Westminster Confession of Faith, which was my confession of faith prior to my conversion.

And for this reason, I have a hard time with the notion held by (many, not all) Sedes who think the same thing, just about the "Novus Ordo Church" particularly, and the "Vatican II antipopes" or a subset of them.

Furthermore, the Bible says the Antichrist will claim to be God.  I don't see any of that, either from John Paul II, or Francis, or whoever else.  That doesn't mean I think these are good popes, but I have a really hard time believing the Reformed and Lutherans were basically correct on eschatology and were just wrong on timing.  

On another note, I'm really curious about the alleged instance where a Novus Ordo priest was not able to perform an exorcism, but a CMRI priest would.  Are there any sources on that?

And since someone mentioned apostolic succession, do the Eastern Orthodox attempt exorcisms, and do they generally work?
There is a Fr. Aquaro, who is an Antiochene Orthodox priest who does exorcisms. I understand that Coptic monks in Egypt also do exorcisms.  
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Offline Nadir

Re: Exorcism: Devils drive out devils?????
« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2019, 12:09:55 AM »
Do you write of Orthodox Copts or Catholic Copts? How about a reference or link?
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