Author Topic: Ecuмenism means IDOLATRY (Read 4579 times)

Raoul76 · « **on:** June 26, 2009, 07:56:42 PM »

Prodino, I saw in my "Raoul76 vs Una cuм" thread that you want me to "apologize" for saying that the anti-Popes are idolators.

Actually I do have some apologies to make. The mistakes I have made on this site so far are to try and prophesize when I am not a prophet, and to have judged the internal intentions of Abp. Lefebvre. These are the mistakes that I will acknowledge and apologize for.

But as time goes by I am more and more against SSPX and am now prepared to the go on the warpath. As I wrote to my sedevacantist friend, "This uneasy truce must end, and each parishioner must be forced to choose a side."

No more wishy-washy language. The SSPX calls the Popes THAT IT ACCEPTS "ecuмenical." By sugarcoating their language they try to make that sound like a mild fault. It is IDOLATRY. Ecuмenism is to blend the religions or accept other religions as possible routes to salvation and this is nothing else but to bring Baal into the Temple.

Here are the results. This is a Jew speaking about the New Church:

"JOHN LEVI: The Catholic Church has been amazing in the last 20 years. I'm old enough to remember when Catholics couldn't go to friend's funerals. They had to stand outside if the funeral was held at a ѕуηαgσgυє. Those days are long gone."

SSPX supporters, do you think that a true Pope could Judaize the Church to this extent? Because if you do, you are denying everything that the Catholic Church ever was and still is, under the form of sedevacantism.

Ecuмenism is idolatry. Paul VI taught idolatry in Lumen Gentium and it was never rescinded by his successors, who were also idolators. Just because they managed to make people idol-worshippers in a clever and underhanded way does not mean that they avoided idolatry.

And all those in SSPX who accept this man Ratzinger as Pope, you are also accepting that the Vatican II Church is the real Catholic Church which it is not. You can't have it both ways. You can't say Ratzinger is the Pope and then "refuse communion" with conciliarism, as Father Schmidberger tried to do. Ratzinger IS conciliarism, he is the head of the conciliar, false Church. He has made it perfectly clear time and time again that he stands behind the Vatican II "changes."

It is not the "una cuм" that is the source of SSPX's potentially deadly error but the "Papa nostro Benedicto." EVERYTHING hinges on whether this man is Pope. By saying that he is the Pope, you are saying that the VII Church is the Catholic Church -- by saying the VII Church is the Catholic Church, you are saying that the Catholic Church can teach fatal sins against the First Commandment, denying the very Passion of Christ, who died to forgive our sins through ONE Church and ONE road to salvation.

It is just more hypocrisy from the SSPX when they deny that Benedict sins against the First Commandment or is an idolator, yet they blab on and on about "ecuмenism." The only difference between "ecuмenism" and "idolatry" is that the word "idolatry" makes sane people get up and RUN, while "ecuмenism" confuses them and makes them passive. That is because SSPX tries to keep its parishioners in a hypnotic state where they don't see the full gravity of the situation, or what the abomination of VII really is, a false Church where God has been warped beyond all recognition.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 26, 2009, 08:42:14 PM »

Having thought this over some more, maybe the VII Popes are not idolators. I need to be more precise with my terms.

Idolatry is EXCHANGING God FOR an idol.
What VII is doing is CHANGING God INTO an idol.

So it is actually worse than idolatry. Idolators are content to leave the true God alone and play with their fertility goddesses and snakes and whatnot. The VII Popes want to overturn, like the revolutionaries they are, the very concept of God.

So neither the term "ecuмenism" nor the term "idolatry" really expresses what is happening in Vatican II. It is something new. VII is more like Kabbalistic alchemy that was designed to bear idolatrous fruit, just as a farmer chooses a certain kind of soil to bear a certain kind of fruit.

Prodino, you yourself commented on the Maurice Pinay blog when "Cardinal" O'Malley went to the "Yom Hashoah" h0Ɩ0cαųst commemoration. O'Malley there lit a menorah, which that video doesn't show. THAT is certainly idolatry and lighting incense to an idol ( the devil, the god of the Jews ).

However idolatry is not directly taught. VII doesn't say "Worship the Muslim God." It just says, in effect, "We all worship the same God" and the RESULT is idolatry.

Maybe someone can help me find a word for what it is they're doing. Alchemy, transformation, these are the kind of words that are swimming around my head.

In any event, whatever they're doing, they're teaching a different doctrine than the Catholic doctrine and there is no way they can be Popes.

CM · « **Reply #2 on:** June 27, 2009, 09:00:41 AM »

Pope Leo II, Third Council of Constantinople, AD 681: "So now that these points have been formulated by us with all precision in every respect and with all care, we definitely state that it is not allowable for anyone to produce another faith, that is, to write or to compose or to consider or to teach others; those who dare to compose another faith, or to support or to teach or to hand on another creed to those who wish to turn to knowledge of the truth, whether from Hellenism or Judaism or indeed from any heresy whatsoever, or to introduce novelty of speech, that is, invention of terms, so as to overturn what has now been defined by us, such persons, if they are bishops or clerics, are deprived of their episcopacy or clerical rank, and if they are monks or layfolk THEY ARE EXCOMMUNICATED."

Caminus · « **Reply #3 on:** June 27, 2009, 01:34:08 PM »

You were a neo-pagan in the not too distant past, maybe the problem here is that you haven't entirely vanquished the idolatry of your own intellect and the hedonistic satisfaction of your own will.

Dawn · « **Reply #4 on:** June 27, 2009, 02:38:08 PM »

A former Neo-Pagan , once he has abjured his errors as in the case of Raoul would see pagansim for clearly. This being as far as it has infiltrated New Church. Two good books on that are "A Unicorn in the Sanctuary" and Moira Noonans book on leaving the New-age.