People like this don't call themselves pagans even if they are.
You were a neo-pagan pure and simple.
This is the kind of "pagan" that once existed in our family. The "moral," self-righteous pagan. This kind of pagan is perhaps more in danger than an overt sinner like Mary Magdalene because they feel cleaner, it's less obvious that they are need of a change and in need of God.
This by way of clearing up that I wasn't exactly a "pagan" in the usual sense of the term.
A "pagan" is one that doesn't profess any religion in particular.
I will never be able to say that I have conquered my chief vice, which unfortunately for me is the worst one possible and the vice of Lucifer -- intellectual pride.
Sure you can, if you cooperate with God's graces.
You don't just emerge from 32 years of error and become perfect overnight. I haven't yet learned to guard my tongue as much as I should but luckily God is still in contact with me and He's revealing my faults and sins to me as they happen, so I haven't been abandoned yet -- Deo Gratias!
Right, which is why I urge you to use great restraint and caution with regard to judging ecclesiastical matters. And in fact, if you continue to committ mortal sins of injustice, you remain objectively alienated from God. It is through these very sins that you are abandoning God. If you are not careful, the next mortal sin could be your last, having filled up the cup of your unrighteousness. Then it will be that you were predestined to Grace, but not to Glory and your condemnation will be just and according to the universal glory of God.
Dawn is correct. When I first began looking into Catholicism I saw almost no difference between my quasi-spiritual mindset and the mindset of Vatican II. It was like half-a-dozen of one and six of the other. My mom -- who occasionally taught sex ed before becoming converted -- even taught sex ed at a Vatican II Church five or six years ago and was lavishly praised by the "priest"!
Right, but don't confuse sinners with the Church itself. The fact that they fill the ranks of the Church and have obscured her marks, doesn't justify you creating another "perfect church."
Becoming Catholic after being pagan should be a transformative experience, the Church should be like a refuge from the world, it should make you into a new man.
Well it should and it does. The problem today is that through error and decay, those portions of the Church wherein this is effected has been greatly reduced.
This anti-Church keeps you pretty much as you are, besides filling your head with wrong information about the world situation and the Jews ( making it a sin to be against the "Shoah" for instance and bolstering the Jews in their complete world domination ).
And herein lies your grevious error. If by "anti-Church" you mean that the enemies within the Church form a kind of "anti-Church" in the poetical sense, then I can agree. But if you mean to jurdically divorce the Church, tearing it asunder, fabricating in your mind a "sect" in the place of the juridical foundation and existence of the Church, then you will be in grave error. Relentless and pervasive are their errors and public crimes, but that fact does not justify your creation of another Church.
At first it just "felt wrong." I could no more walk into a Vatican II Church than I could voluntarily launch myself into a pit full of spikes. But the more I looked into it, the more I realized that their apostasy was even bolder than it first appeared.
There may in fact be many heretics and apostates in the Church. There may in fact be bishops who have cast themselves out of their office before God. There are a myriad of other errors that can cause just as much damage. But again, to create in your mind a "new Church" is to go by the way of schism. What will it profit you to recognize truth and error if in the end you lose your soul for all eternity?
I never believed that they could just run a counterfeit Church that we would have to submit to because they didn't use the Extraordinary Magisterium, as if they could continue to avoid teaching in perpetuity when teaching is the very job of the Pope. How silly is that?
Raoul, you are woefully, even sinfully ignorant of the nature of the magisterium and this has resulted in the creation of a "true church" outside of the identifiable Catholic Church. There is no such thing as a "counterfeit Church" in the proper theological and juridical sense. This "church" exists only in your mind. You have greviously erred and have let the images in your head govern your decisions
But luckily, I don't even have to worry about that because they DID use the Extraordinary Magisterium in Lumen Gentium and said "Together with us, Muslims worship the one God." God be praised for this dogmatic pronouncement from apostates! It certainly cuts through the thick fog of the usual attitude of the more "conservative" VII defenders: "We know they're heretics but maybe they've cleverly avoided being branded as such through legal loopholes."
Again, that text is in no way an exercise of the extraordinary magisterium. EVERYONE SEES THIS EXCEPT YOU. Why do you cling to your erroneous opinions? Why do you cling to your clearly erroneous understanding of the text itself, forcing it to say something absolutely ridiculous? Your innocence ends here. Either stop the intellectual idolatry and listen to reason or harden your will in the evil of schism.
As for SSPX, I only had one meeting with the priest there. Right from the jump it never made sense to me that I could reject Vatican Council II but somehow hold onto the Popes who created it and continue to defend it tooth-and-nail. It will never make sense to me that this makes sense to anyone. That is because it doesn't make sense.
It "never made sense" to you because YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND CATHOLIC DOCTRINE AND DISCIPLINE. You can't even grasp BASIC COMMON SENSE. YOU VIOLATE WITH IMPUGNITY THE CANONS OF CHARITY AND JUSTICE. You have made a shipwreck of an already terrible disaster.
But the sedevacantist Church -- the Catholic Church -- is firm and crystal-clear and without imposing contradictions.
This is pure delusion in many respects. I haven't met a sedevacantist yet who didn't contradict another sedevacantist on some "crucial" point. The Church of the Sede Vacante will go down in history as yet another schismatical sect in the face of legitimate ecclesiastical problems.
Suppose a good holy and traditional bishop is elected as Roman Pontiff by means of the current hierarchy. Your "solution" will force you to remain outside of the Church and resist her restoration all because you belong to another "sedevacantist" church. The irony of it all is that all this talk of "anti-church" in reality points to your own position within an anti-church, albeit very traditional looking. Just because the face of Holy Mother Church is marred by error, corruption, sin, wicked prelates and foolish faithful, doesn't change the fact that she is still Holy Mother Church.