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Offline Matthew

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Re: Eastern Rites
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2019, 01:34:04 PM »
I'm all for variety and appreciating the differences between peoples, nations, races, and cultures.

I would be the first to insist that all nations, cultures, etc. keep their identity (and of course their existence!) I'm completely against multiculturalism -- blending all the interesting colors together into a diarrhea-colored stew of humanity.

However, in my opinion those differences are good and enjoyable for anything friendship and down, as far as intimacy goes. That is: vacations, study, appreciation, buying their cultural products, making friends, acquaintances, co-workers and customers from among them, etc.

But for who you're going to yoke yourself to for life (marriage), I think it's best to stick with someone with the same upbringing and culture. A rich girl and a poor boy are going to have a LOT of trouble making it work. You're just from 2 different worlds, and as you go through life together, those different outlooks are going to cause disagreements not to say clashes and strife.

Anything beyond a western, specifically Irish or German outlook on discipline/money/religious practices/life/you name it, and I quickly leave my comfort zone. Which is fine for a change of pace -- a few hours or days, during a vacation, a TV show, being with a friend, etc. but I wouldn't want to "live there" full time. Foreign and different is the spice of life, but in the end, as Dorothy once said, "There's no place like home!"

Offline Matthew

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Re: Eastern Rites
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2019, 01:43:58 PM »
I'll admit, I think regular, white, English-speaking Americans joining an Eastern Rite (like Fr. Doran recently did) is kind of silly.

It reminds me of transgenderism. Instead of gender dysmorphia, you have liturgical dysmorphia. "I was always an Eastern Rite Catholic trapped in a Roman Rite body. But now that I've transitioned, I feel free!"

I realize it's not that bad, but it still reminds me of it. It still smacks of the same detachment from reality and common sense.

I mean, people change religions all the time. But if you're going from Catholic to something else, that's APOSTASY. God never wants that. When you go from something else up to Catholic, you're CONVERTING. God always wants that. Both of those things have a reason or objective goodness/badness to them. But changing Rites? Can anyone really ever say that God wants you to change to a Rite you weren't born into?

I'm only speaking my opinion and feelings here. I hardly ever do that. Most of my posts, you can take them to the bank as authoritative Church teaching on the matter.


Offline Matthew

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Re: Eastern Rites
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2019, 01:54:19 PM »
So I think the question is, were there no Tridentine Masses available, would attending an available Eastern Rite Liturgy (with a group that hasn't been Novus Ordized like the Maronites) be --

Here's my question: WHICH group(s) haven't been Novus Ordo-ized?

See, as a Trad, I firmly believe the Crisis is NOT just about the Mass. That's why my family didn't move to a place with an Eastern Rite Mass as a "full solution" to the Crisis. My family didn't jump into the first Indult that came to town, for the same reason. It's not just about the Mass. For some ignorant non-Trads, it is. If they have a reverent, valid Mass, then they are 100% happy, 100% home free.

If the group in question fails to back up +Williamson, +Zendejas (etc.) and fails to stand with them in criticizing all the problems in Modernist Rome -- we're talking about the Catholic Faith here after all, so any heresies are Liturgy-neutral -- then what good is it if their Liturgy avoids most/all of the Modernist errors seen in the Novus Ordo Missae?

The Mass is only part of the Crisis.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Eastern Rites
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2019, 01:55:31 PM »
Here's my question: WHICH group(s) haven't been Novus Ordo-ized?

See, as a Trad, I firmly believe the Crisis is NOT just about the Mass. That's why my family didn't move to a place with an Eastern Rite Mass as a "full solution" to the Crisis.

If the group in question fails to back up +Williamson, +Zendejas (etc.) and fails to stand with them in criticizing all the problems in Modernist Rome -- we're talking about the Catholic Faith here after all, so any heresies are Liturgy-neutral -- then what good is it if their Liturgy avoids most/all of the Modernist errors seen in the Novus Ordo Missae?

The Mass is only part of the Crisis.

Well, I guess we need to define Novus Ordo-ized.  Most of the Eastern Rite chapels I've been to are no more liberal than what you might find in the 1940s and 1950s in the U.S.

Would a Catholic have been permitted to stay home from Sunday Mass in the 1950s if the priest at his church happened to be a Modernist (many, many were in the 1950s)?

Offline Matthew

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Re: Eastern Rites
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2019, 01:57:16 PM »
Well, I guess we need to define Novus Ordo-ized.  Most of the Eastern Rite chapels I've been to are no more liberal than what you might find in the 1940s and 1950s in the U.S.
But is Modern Rome liberal?

If so, then were are all the Eastern Rite priests and bishops speaking out against the problems in the Church, beside +ABL, +De Castro Mayer, the 4 SSPX Bishops (back in the day), the 4 Resistance bishops, etc.?