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Author Topic: Doubtful Validity of Sacraments Outside Tradition  (Read 26410 times)

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Offline Comrade

Re: Doubtful Validity of Sacraments Outside Tradition
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2024, 04:08:57 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on November 18, 2024, 01:32:35 PM
But, yes, I would recommend conditional Baptism / Confirmation and then Ordination for any priest baptized in the Novus Ordo, and just Baptism / Confirmation for anyone else baptized in the NO.  I've stated that here.

Ladislaus,  if the priest was ordained prior to 1950, would you recommend the conditional Baptism?
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Doubtful Validity of Sacraments Outside Tradition
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2024, 07:30:31 PM »
Quote from: Comrade on November 18, 2024, 04:08:57 PM
Ladislaus,  if the priest was ordained prior to 1950, would you recommend the conditional Baptism?

I don't understand.  He would have been baptized presumably in the 1920s when Catholic Baptisms were highly reliable 
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Offline Mark 79

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Re: Doubtful Validity of Sacraments Outside Tradition
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2024, 07:38:09 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on November 18, 2024, 01:15:21 PM
Not quite.  Valid Holy Orders is not required to validly administer the Sacrament of Baptism.
What is the case with Matrimony?
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Offline Mark 79

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Re: Doubtful Validity of Sacraments Outside Tradition
« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2024, 07:44:00 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on November 18, 2024, 03:09:26 PM
…Mormon? invalid, unconditional/absolute Baptism.…

I am unfamiliar with Mormon rites. What is their baptismal rite?
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Offline Bonaventure

Re: Doubtful Validity of Sacraments Outside Tradition
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2024, 08:48:41 PM »
I don’t recall exactly where I heard this, but someone was reviewing a videotape of the baptism (which I’m guessing was done sometime and the 90’s), and saw/heard that the priest did the “we” form instead of “I”.  This person brought this tape to her priest, who after viewing conditionally baptized her. Or at least that’s how I remember it.

Regarding baptisms in general, and especially those done outside the Church, I have found this to be a decent guide: https://www.dosp.org/wp-content/uploads/9_3.-Valid-and-Invalid-Baptisms.pdf
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