Author Topic: Crossing the Sedehold of Hope. (Read 6866 times)

Stubborn · « **Reply #5 on:** October 03, 2013, 05:48:52 PM »

Quote from: Jehanne

Quote from: Matto
So you are a sedevacantist now? :geezer:

Yes. I think that "Pope" Francis is a public heretic, and therefore, no longer a Catholic, and therefore, no longer Pope. The Chair of Peter is, IMO, empty. Given the sensus fidelium of the sede movement, it seems to me reasonable to conclude that Pope Pius XII was the last true Roman Pontiff.

What is it that makes you think that he is worse than Pope Paul VI and the rest of the conciliar popes?

BTW, Happy Birthday to you!

Jehanne · « **Reply #6 on:** October 03, 2013, 06:32:38 PM »

Quote from: Stubborn

Quote from: Jehanne
Quote from: Matto
So you are a sedevacantist now? :geezer:

Yes. I think that "Pope" Francis is a public heretic, and therefore, no longer a Catholic, and therefore, no longer Pope. The Chair of Peter is, IMO, empty. Given the sensus fidelium of the sede movement, it seems to me reasonable to conclude that Pope Pius XII was the last true Roman Pontiff.

What is it that makes you think that he is worse than Pope Paul VI and the rest of the conciliar popes?

BTW, Happy Birthday to you!

Because he called as "nonsense" the Great Commission, words which flowed from the lips of our Lord Himself to "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to the whole creation. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned." (Mark 16:15-16) The neo-cons can parse "proselytize" under they are "blue in the face". But, yes, we are called to proselytize:

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: to induce someone to convert to one's faith
2
: to recruit someone to join one's party, institution, or cause

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/proselytize

Jorge Mario Bergoglio is a manifest, public heretic who has severed himself from the Mystical Body of Jesus Christ, which is the Holy Roman Catholic & Apostolic Church, outside of which no one at all will be saved. This is the "fruits" of Vatican II, an apostate council (small 'c') not of the Catholic Church.

Luker · « **Reply #7 on:** October 04, 2013, 12:04:56 AM »

I gave you a plus one for your thread title "Crossing a Sedehold of Hope"

Also I am pretty much at the same point as you. Francis is a public heretic, he cannot be the Vicar of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Luke

Stubborn · « **Reply #8 on:** October 04, 2013, 04:26:47 AM »

Quote from: Jehanne

Because he called as "nonsense" the Great Commission, words which flowed from the lips of our Lord Himself to "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to the whole creation. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned." (Mark 16:15-16) The neo-cons can parse "proselytize" under they are "blue in the face". But, yes, we are called to proselytize:

Quote
1
: to induce someone to convert to one's faith
2
: to recruit someone to join one's party, institution, or cause

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/proselytize

Jorge Mario Bergoglio is a manifest, public heretic who has severed himself from the Mystical Body of Jesus Christ, which is the Holy Roman Catholic & Apostolic Church, outside of which no one at all will be saved. This is the "fruits" of Vatican II, an apostate council (small 'c') not of the Catholic Church.

This is nothing different than what the rest of heretical conciliar popes have taught - their actions have all called the Great Commission, "nonsense".
Is it because now that this one actually spoke the words that infuriated you into your decision? - and what will you be doing differently now?

2Vermont · « **Reply #9 on:** October 04, 2013, 04:31:24 AM »

Quote from: Stubborn

Quote from: Jehanne

Because he called as "nonsense" the Great Commission, words which flowed from the lips of our Lord Himself to "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to the whole creation. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned." (Mark 16:15-16) The neo-cons can parse "proselytize" under they are "blue in the face". But, yes, we are called to proselytize:

Quote
1
: to induce someone to convert to one's faith
2
: to recruit someone to join one's party, institution, or cause

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/proselytize

Jorge Mario Bergoglio is a manifest, public heretic who has severed himself from the Mystical Body of Jesus Christ, which is the Holy Roman Catholic & Apostolic Church, outside of which no one at all will be saved. This is the "fruits" of Vatican II, an apostate council (small 'c') not of the Catholic Church.

This is nothing different than what the rest of heretical conciliar popes have taught - their actions have all called the Great Commission, "nonsense".
Is it because now that this one actually spoke the words that infuriated you into your decision? - and what will you be doing differently now?

This is true. False Ecuмenism = Proselytization is nonsense. Francis just makes it clearer in his words. Of course, for some, those words are still not clear enough.