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Crossing the Sedehold of Hope.
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2013, 06:28:07 AM »
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This is nothing different than what the rest of heretical conciliar popes have taught - their actions have all called the Great Commission, "nonsense".
Is it because now that this one actually spoke the words that infuriated you into your decision? -  and what will you be doing differently now?


I admit that the neo-cons had me deceived for awhile, quite awhile in fact with their endless "spin control."  As I said, heresy is a cancer, which starts off small but then spreads.  Here's some more that we can expect from "Francis the Fake":

1)  The Assumption of Mary was allegorical.  It was not an historical event and Pope Pius XII never intended it as such, but Mary's ascent into Heaven was "in the minds" of those who knew and loved her.  Ditto for the Resurrection of our Lord.

2)  Jesus is my pastor and teacher.  He was just a man who was, perhaps, "close to God."  In this sense, he was God, but so are we.  The Incarnation is present in all of us.

3)  Hell does not exist.  It was just a literary figure used by the Church to teach us about evil but a God of infinite mercy would never send any creature to such a place.

4)  Moral truths develop just as scientific truths do.  There is no morality beyond the good of the human individual.  It is to the human individual alone who must decide what his/her own moral truths are, as long as that person does not trespass on the rights of others to do the same.

I could go on but I'll stop here.  As I said, heresy is like cancer; expect more from the mouth of this heretic.  Soon, the neo-cons will be like rats who are scurrying off a sinking ship.

Crossing the Sedehold of Hope.
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2013, 07:22:02 AM »
This is an excerpt from Benedict XVI's  encyclical  "Caritas in Veritate" which will show that this idea of Francis I's is not new to him but is a reigning theme of the modernists.  There is wiggle room in Benedict XVI's wording as you will read. The problem with all modernists is that they have an evolutionary mindset and also mix error in with truth. 

"c) Charity, furthermore, cannot be used as a means of engaging in what is nowadays considered proselytism. Love is free; it is not practised as a way of achieving other ends.[30] But  this does not mean that charitable activity must somehow leave God and Christ aside. For it is always concerned with the whole man. Often the deepest cause of suffering is the very absence of God. Those who practise charity in the Church's name will never seek to impose the Church's faith upon others. They realize that a pure and generous love is the best witness to the God in whom we believe and by whom we are driven to love. A Christian knows when it is time to speak of God and when it is better to say nothing and to let love alone speak. He knows that God is love (cf. 1 Jn 4:8) and that God's presence is felt at the very time when the only thing we do is to love. He knows—to return to the questions raised earlier—that disdain for love is disdain for God and man alike; it is an attempt to do without God. Consequently, the best defence of God and man consists precisely in love. It is the responsibility of the Church's charitable organizations to reinforce this awareness in their members, so that by their activity—as well as their words, their silence, their example—they may be credible witnesses to Christ." 


Crossing the Sedehold of Hope.
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2013, 08:51:32 AM »
Quote from: Memento
This is an excerpt from Benedict XVI's  encyclical  "Caritas in Veritate" which will show that this idea of Francis I's is not new to him but is a reigning theme of the modernists.  There is wiggle room in Benedict XVI's wording as you will read. The problem with all modernists is that they have an evolutionary mindset and also mix error in with truth. 

"c) Charity, furthermore, cannot be used as a means of engaging in what is nowadays considered proselytism. Love is free; it is not practised as a way of achieving other ends.[30] But  this does not mean that charitable activity must somehow leave God and Christ aside. For it is always concerned with the whole man. Often the deepest cause of suffering is the very absence of God. Those who practise charity in the Church's name will never seek to impose the Church's faith upon others. They realize that a pure and generous love is the best witness to the God in whom we believe and by whom we are driven to love. A Christian knows when it is time to speak of God and when it is better to say nothing and to let love alone speak. He knows that God is love (cf. 1 Jn 4:8) and that God's presence is felt at the very time when the only thing we do is to love. He knows—to return to the questions raised earlier—that disdain for love is disdain for God and man alike; it is an attempt to do without God. Consequently, the best defence of God and man consists precisely in love. It is the responsibility of the Church's charitable organizations to reinforce this awareness in their members, so that by their activity—as well as their words, their silence, their example—they may be credible witnesses to Christ." 


This one "flew under the radar for me"; never heard of it.  The post-conciliar "Popes" write so much and yet say so little.  The above in red (as well as that in bold) is just heresy, plain and simple.  The Roman Catechism states the truth clearly:

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But, as faith comes by hearing, it is clear how necessary at all times for the attainment of eternal salvation has been the labour and faithful ministry of an authorised teacher; for it is written, how shall they hear, without a preacher? And how shall they preach unless they be sent?


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Now the chief truths which Christians ought to hold are those which the holy Apostles, the leaders and teachers of the faith, inspired by the Holy Ghost' have divided into the twelve Articles of the Creed. For having received a command from the Lord to go forth into the whole world, as His ambassadors, and preach the Gospel to every creature, they thought it advisable to draw up a formula of Christian faith, that all might think and speak the same thing, and that among those whom they should have called to the unity of the faith no schisms would exist, but that they should be perfect in the same mind, and in the same judgment.


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Most just is it also that He who was most iniquitously condemned by the judgment of men should Himself be afterwards seen by all men sitting in judgment on all. Hence when the Prince of the Apostles had expounded in the house of Cornelius the chief dogmas of Christianity, and had taught that Christ was suspended from a cross and put to death by the Jews and rose the third lay to life, he added: And he commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that this is he, who was appointed of God, to be the judge of the living and the dead.


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The enumeration of this among the other Articles of the Creed is alone sufficient to satisfy us that it conveys a truth, which is not only in itself a divine mystery, but also a mystery very necessary to salvation. We have already said that, without a firm belief of all the Articles of the Creed, Christian piety is wholly unattainable.  However, should that which ought to be clear in itself seem to require the support of some authority, the declaration of our Lord will suffice. A short time previous to His Ascension into heaven, when opening the understanding of His disciples that they might understand the Scriptures, He bore testimony to this Article of the Creed, in these words: It behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise again from the dead the third day, and that penance and remission of sins should be preached, in his name, unto all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.


I could go on but I'll stop for the sake of space.  In conclusion, as the Tradition of the Catholic Church so clearly enunciates one cannot be a "credible witness" to Jesus Christ without preaching His Gospel.  Pope Benedict XVI, in spite of his "conservatism", was a heretic, too.  He, unlike Francis, just crouched his heresy in "church speak."

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« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2013, 03:36:45 PM »
Oh Jehanne, according to bg2, you're just looking for an excuse to be a sede.

 :rolleyes:

Crossing the Sedehold of Hope.
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2013, 03:48:15 PM »
Well, sedevacantism is an error, but I suppose it is preferable to falling into indifferentism. Those two I think will be some effects of these unfortunate interviews the Pope never seems to tire of. Even the Conciliar catechism doesn't go so far as this new liberal orientation of the Roman authorities toward even outright godlessness, such as the interviewer was.

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"848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338"


Anyway, I thought you were a self-acclaimed Feeneyite, Jehanne, who had said he would never become a sedevacantist?

I think the two articles of the SBC are surprisingly good, even though it did not raise what I would think is the principal challenge for the serious sedevacantist, the question of the perpetuation of the hierarchy without the person of the Pope, other than in passing.

http://catholicism.org/modern-popes.html
http://catholicism.org/sedevacantism-and-schism.html