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Author Topic: Cardinals Burke and Sarah - Strong message to Pope Leo XIV, July, 2026  (Read 1615 times)

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Re: Cardinals Burke and Sarah - Strong message to Pope Leo XIV, July, 2026
« Reply #35 on: August 05, 2026, 07:42:30 PM »
They are freemasons, to destroy the Church that Christ founded.  You will know them by their fruits.  Anyone who says the councilor church heretical mass( mess) is looking at hell!  To change Holy Orders, again hell.  To say to the people what sounds good and supports communist agenda of catholic charities which is All federal communist agenda and etc.  

Lifesite.news dumped me for posting that Bishop Olmsted is not Pro life.  Lifesite.news stated that Phoenix diocese should be so happy to have such a Pro-life Bishop.  Now that was a bold face lie on their part.  Bishop Olmsted knew that the catholic charities promoted and $$ supported abortion, through "Healthy Mothers and Healthy Babies, and Planned parenthood.  Yet these pretender clergy say nice things from the pulpit and act just the opposite.

They are in the Glee Club.  All these pretenders agree on destroying the Church that Christ founded.

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« Reply #36 on: August 05, 2026, 11:35:55 PM »
Did you read the last few words of the prayer you quoted above? Bolding and underlining mine. The Bread of Life is the Holy Eucharist according to John 6 (6:24-60, the Bread of Life discourse). So the prayer you quoted is in fact a perfectly Catholic description of the Catholic doctrine of Transubstantiation. You do believe in Transubstantiation, right?

Can you address this from Archbishop Lefebvre? "“Should all the world’s churches be emptied? I do not feel brave enough to say such a thing. I don’t want to encourage atheism."[10.]”
Here, Archbishop Lefebvre [+ABL] precisely expresses the Truth that telling Roman Catholics to empty all Diocesan Churches encourages only Atheism.
A 2nd time: “if one does not have the choice and if the priest celebrating Mass according to the Novus Ordo is faithful and worthy, one should not abstain from going to Mass.”[44]”

So according to Archbishop Lefebvre, you are "encouraging Atheism". It is a poisonous doctrine to say the NOM is supposedly evil, rather than being only an inferior form of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Also, the bread does not remain mere bread, therefore it is no longer the "fruit of the earth". It is the Bread of Life, the True Body of Christ.

Here are some additional prayers from the NOM. Do they look like idolatrous non-Catholic worship to you? In Eucharistic Prayer IV: “It is truly right to give you thanks, truly just to give you glory, Father, most holy, for you are the One God living and true, existing before all ages and abiding for all eternity, dwelling in unapproachable light; yet you, who alone are good, the source of life, have made all that is, so that you might fill your creatures with blessings and bring joy to many of them by the glory of your light. And so, in your presence are countless hosts of Angels, who serve you day and night and, gazing upon the glory of your face, glorify you without ceasing. With them we, too, confess your name in exultation, giving voice to every creature under heaven as we acclaim:” This is worship of the True God, the Eternal Father, with His Son and His Spirit. And here is EP III which underlines the same point: “You are indeed Holy, O Lord, and all you have created rightly gives you praise, for through your Son our Lord Jesus Christ, by the power and working of the Holy Spirit, you give life to all things and make them holy, and you never cease to gather a people to yourself, so that from the rising of the sun to its setting a pure sacrifice may be offered to your name.” This is a reference to Malachi 1:11, which prophesies the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. It affirms Catholic doctrine. You have embraced Protestant opinions about the Magisterium, believing it can defect or give evil. The Church affirms every doctrine affirmed at Trent.

Yes, I read all the words. Here it is again, with both my (in red) and your emphasis (bold black and underlined):


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Blessed are you, Lord God of all creation, for through your goodness we have received the bread we offer you: fruit of the earth and work of human hands, it will become for us the bread of life.

What if Cain said the same thing? What if he said his "fruit of the earth" would become for him the "bread of life"? The offering doesn't change because Cain thinks it something it isn't - it remains an unacceptable sacrifice to God. It's not the "firstborn" victim, a living sacrificial host that signifies the "firstborn" from the dead, Christ. Abel, in offering the "firstling" of his flock, was offering the only acceptable sacrifice, Christ.

Cain could have also said all those other things the Novus Ordites say as well. As with the apostates of the Novus Ordo, if you asked him, he would have said his offering was to God as well, offered for His glory, etc. God said it wasn't an acceptable offering. Case closed.

The "fruit of the earth" is the false offering of Cain, and remains a false offering even if Cain thought it was a true offering.

God doesn't want the offering of human hands from man's cursed tilling of the soil (see Genesis 3:17, "cursed is the earth in your work"), which can't save anything. He will only accept the offering of His Son.

I wouldn't want to be standing in your shoes before God when you try to justify the offering of Cain, literally the same "fruit of the earth," the same rejected human work.

In the movie Bambi, the rabbit Thumper said to Bambi, "you can call me a flower if you want to." That won't work with God. You can't make the false offering of the "fruit of the earth" into the offering of Christ by calling it what it isn't.




And EP I is simply the Roman Canon. Not going to condemn this wholesale, are you, otherwise you condemn the TLM too? 
https://catholic-resources.org/ChurchDocs/RM3-EP1-4.htm


EP IEP IIEP IIIEP IV
To you, therefore, most merciful Father, we make humble prayer and petition through Jesus Christ, your Son, our Lord: that you accept and bless + these gifts, these offerings, these holy and unblemished sacrifices, which we offer you firstly for your holy catholic Church. Be pleased to grant her peace, to guard, unite and govern her throughout the whole world, together with your servant N. our Pope and N. our Bishop, and all those who, holding to the truth, hand on the catholic and apostolic faith.
Remember, Lord, your servants N. and N. and all gathered here, whose faith and devotion are known to you. For them, we offer you this sacrifice of praise or they offer it for themselves and all who are dear to them, for the redemption of their souls, in hope of health and well-being, and paying their homage to you, the eternal God, living and true.
* In communion with those whose memory we venerate, especially the glorious ever-Virgin Mary, Mother of our God and Lord, Jesus Christ, and blessed Joseph, her Spouse, your blessed Apostles and Martyrs, Peter and Paul, Andrew, [size=-1](James, John, Thomas, James, Philip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Simon and Jude: Linus, Cletus, Clement, Sixtus, Cornelius, Cyprian, Lawrence, Chrysogonus, John and Paul, Cosmas and Damian) [/size]and all your Saints: we ask that through their merits and prayers, in all things we may be defended by your protecting help. [size=-1](Through Christ our Lord. Amen.)[/size]
** Therefore, Lord, we pray: graciously accept this oblation of our service, that of your whole family; order our days in your peace, and command that we be delivered from eternal damnation and counted among the flock of those you have chosen.[size=-1] (Through Christ our Lord. Amen.)[/size]


Yes, I read all the words. Here it is again, with both my (in red) and your emphasis (bold black and underlined):

What if Cain said the same thing? What if he said his "fruit of the earth" would become for him the "bread of life"? The offering doesn't change because Cain thinks it something it isn't - it remains an unacceptable sacrifice to God. It's not the "firstborn" victim, a living sacrificial host that signifies the "firstborn" from the dead, Christ. Abel, in offering the "firstling" of his flock, was offering the only acceptable sacrifice, Christ.

This is absolutely incorrect. The New Mass is still the Body and Blood of Christ, therefore it is a SACRIFICE OF BLOOD! It is not a mere grain or wheat offering. Also, the issue with Cain is he had Lambs but refused to offer them. The New Mass still offers the Lamb of God.

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Cain could have also said all those other things the Novus Ordites say as well. As with the apostates of the Novus Ordo, if you asked him, he would have said his offering was to God as well, offered for His glory, etc. God said it wasn't an acceptable offering. Case closed.

Again, the issue is Cain had Lambs BUT REFUSED TO OFFER A LAMB. The New Mass offers the Lamb of God, His Body and Blood. False analogy! God has vindicated the New Mass by His Eucharistic Miracles. "apostates of novus ordo" - you have succuмbed to Schismatic Sedevacantism, or Heretical Wathenism. Please repent of and retract those errors, and return to the Roman Catholic Church. If in fact the Roman Catholic Church taught "aposta[sy]" today, please cite some paras from the New Catechism that encourage "apostasy".

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The "fruit of the earth" is the false offering of Cain, and remains a false offering even if Cain thought it was a true offering.

God doesn't want the offering of human hands from man's cursed tilling of the soil (see Genesis 3:17, "cursed is the earth in your work"), which can't save anything. He will only accept the offering of His Son.

I wouldn't want to be standing in your shoes before God when you try to justify the offering of Cain, literally the same "fruit of the earth," the same rejected human work.

In the movie Bambi, the rabbit Thumper said to Bambi, "you can call me a flower if you want to." That won't work with God. You can't make the false offering of the "fruit of the earth" into the offering of Christ by calling it what it isn't.

And I wouldn't want to be standing in your shoes. The Offertory is before the Consecration, and thus, before Transubstantation, correctly refers to the Gifts as Bread and Wine, as even the TLM and Roman Canon does in places. After the Consecration, when Transubstantation occurs, they are no longer bread and wine, but rather Body and Blood. 
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