Author Topic: Cardinals Burke and Sarah - Strong message to Pope Leo XIV, July, 2026 (Read 1659 times)

OABrownson1876 · « **Reply #25 on:** August 04, 2026, 09:26:21 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on July 30, 2026, 09:27:09 PM

Riiight, Burke. When 90%+ of those who self-identify as "Catholic" are heretics on one point or another, where not only heresy but blasphemy and grave sin run rampant, there's no emergency, right?

So, then Burkey ... if this isn't an emergency, what would be?

Burke is clearly just a controlled opposition agent. Reports from Rome after the Prevostian Nonclave were that Burked actually invited the various quasi-Traddy or semi-Traddy influencers to visit him in Rome and issued an edict that they were not to criticize Pervost.

Absolutely this is true. I guarantee that over 90% of baptized Catholics at least do one of the following: 1. Attend New Mass 2. Practice birth control 3. Believe that heretics can be saved 4. Are in knowingly invalid marriages (hop on the annulment train) 5. Live in sɛҳuąƖ sin 6. Make no effort whatsoever to say daily rosary.

songbird · « **Reply #26 on:** August 04, 2026, 09:55:09 PM »

DirigeNos: there has been no Holy Orders since 1968. The Sacrament was changed, saying it lightly. It was destroyed. So no validity of any Novus ordo.

These new order clergy just say words that itchy ears want to hear. They will even say they are Pro-life. Lol. Catholic charities is Federal and the programs are the agenda of communism. All their programs are supporting abortion, the alphabet people.

I read federal docuмents under Governor Mecham in AZ 1990 and I read the truth where the new order church is not church and a complete take over of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and jew centered. I left New Order 1996 and never looked back, for what!

I saved our family. All parishes are restructured. All so-called catholic institutions are Civil Society Organizations. All CSO's answer to the United Nations. I am not making it up, as they say. Restructuring will close at least half of all and the so-called clergy cut out as well. Maybe one "man" for every 4 CSO's.

these so-called clergy saw it coming, "coalition of cancelled priests" supported by Mel Gibson who doesn't know what he is up to. This org, lies!! they are not priest and then they advertised that they wanted to be reinstated on billboards. they wanted us to "feel"sorry for them. More lies from the masons!

A lot to learn, DirigeNos. I asked God to give me truth and he sure did!!!

DecemRationis · « **Reply #27 on:** August 05, 2026, 10:30:09 AM »

Quote from: Telling on August 04, 2026, 07:57:30 AM

Yes, good points. This is why I'm an Indult Traditionalist, not a Novus Ordo Conservative. I hold Fr. Chad Ripperger's position that the TLM is "objectively superior" to the NOM. But both are valid Masses and give grace to good Catholics who receive them with good dispositions. Even Vatican II itself says Gregorian Chant should be retained and should have pride of place in the Sacred Liturgy. So yes, there are issues. But while all this justify being a traditionalist from within the Church, they don't seem to justify the more extreme position that the new rites are sinful, rather than just deficient i.e. giving less grace. Anyway, at least you have some justification of your claims. Regarding Ecuмenism, would you disagree that e.g. the Anglican Ordinariate has been good for the Catholic Church? Anglican ministers (1) accept and profess the Catholic faith, and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and (2) receive valid ordination from Roman Catholic bishops. That's a good instance of true ecuмenism. So not all ecuмenism is bad, but only false ecuмenism. As for religious liberty, while there are issues there as well, Pope Saint John Paul II used religious liberty to bring about the downfall of Communism in the USSR/Soviet Union. Many trads do not know this, but most Catholics do know it, and even many secular historians admit it openly.

There are still 600,000 Catholic Nuns, 400,000 Catholic Priests, some 100,000 Catholic Seminarians offering prayers and sacrifices to Almighty God throughout the Catholic/Universal Church every second of every day. The false idea/opinion/doctrine that we need to separate from such a Church is nothing short of schismatic and sinful.

The offertory of the Novus Ordo shows unmistakably that it is a false sacrifice, displeasing to God. In Genesis 4, God tells us:

3 And it came to pass after many days, that Cain offered, of the fruits of the earth, gifts to the Lord. 4 Abel also offered of the firstlings of his flock, and of their fat: and the Lord had respect to Abel, and to his offerings. 5 But to Cain and his offerings he had no respect: and Cain was exceedingly angry, and his countenance fell.

The offertory of the NO:

Blessed are you, Lord God of all creation, for through your goodness we have received the bread we offer you: fruit of the earth and work of human hands, it will become for us the bread of life.

It is literally the offering of Cain. Do you need to be hit over the head with a club?

A more subtle touch given by God is the NO's use of the identifier, "work of human hands." It is not a divine work, but a human work. In the Scriptures, Christ's body, the host of the divine offering, is identified as "not made by human hands." A clear contrast marking out the NO as a false sacrifice, a marking off by contrast, whereas the "fruit of the earth" is a marking out by blunt identification.

Mark 14:58 We heard him say, I will destroy this temple made with hands, and within three days I will build another not made with hands.

The incident being referred to is Christ's saying He will destroy the physical temple made by hands and resurrect or build the new temple, His Body. See John 2.

Just do a search of the Scriptures of the phrase, the divine work "not made by hands." And compare it to what is made by human hands, for example:

Isaiah 2:8 And their land is filled with horses: and their chariots are innumerable. Their land also is full of idols: they have adored the work of their own hands, which their own fingers have made.

Jeremiah 31:7 For in that day a man shall cast away his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which your hands have made for you to sin.

The signs are blatant. I feel sorry for you that you cannot read them.

But then again, there's nothing new under the sun.

Matthew 16:2-3 But he answered and said to them: When it is evening, you say, It will be fair weather, for the sky is red. 3 And in the morning: Today there will be a storm, for the sky is red and lowering. You know then how to discern the face of the sky: and can you not know the signs of the times?

WorldsAway · « **Reply #28 on:** August 05, 2026, 10:55:18 AM »

Quote from: DecemRationis on August 05, 2026, 10:30:09 AM

The offertory of the Novus Ordo shows unmistakably that it is a false sacrifice, displeasing to God. In Genesis 4, God tells us:

3 And it came to pass after many days, that Cain offered, of the fruits of the earth, gifts to the Lord. 4 Abel also offered of the firstlings of his flock, and of their fat: and the Lord had respect to Abel, and to his offerings. 5 But to Cain and his offerings he had no respect: and Cain was exceedingly angry, and his countenance fell.

The offertory of the NO:

Blessed are you, Lord God of all creation, for through your goodness we have received the bread we offer you: fruit of the earth and work of human hands, it will become for us the bread of life.

It is literally the offering of Cain. Do you need to be hit over the head with a club?

A more subtle touch given by God is the NO's use of the identifier, "work of human hands." It is not a divine work, but a human work. In the Scriptures, Christ's body, the host of the divine offering, is identified as "not made by human hands." A clear contrast marking out the NO as a false sacrifice, a marking off by contrast, whereas the "fruit of the earth" is a marking out by blunt identification.

Mark 14:58 We heard him say, I will destroy this temple made with hands, and within three days I will build another not made with hands.

The incident being referred to is Christ's saying He will destroy the physical temple made by hands and resurrect or build the new temple, His Body. See John 2.

Just do a search of the Scriptures of the phrase, the divine work "not made by hands." And compare it to what is made by human hands, for example:

Isaiah 2:8 And their land is filled with horses: and their chariots are innumerable. Their land also is full of idols: they have adored the work of their own hands, which their own fingers have made.

Jeremiah 31:7 For in that day a man shall cast away his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which your hands have made for you to sin.

The signs are blatant. I feel sorry for you that you cannot read them.

But then again, there's nothing new under the sun.

Matthew 16:2-3 But he answered and said to them: When it is evening, you say, It will be fair weather, for the sky is red. 3 And in the morning: Today there will be a storm, for the sky is red and lowering. You know then how to discern the face of the sky: and can you not know the signs of the times?

Thanks DR, good post

Do you have any thoughts on the Mass of St. Joseph the Worker (May 1st)? PPXII added it to the calendar in 1956. Possibly the first reference to "work of our hands" in any Mass?

Gradual (Ps. 127:1-2):

Blessed are all they that fear the Lord, that walk in His ways. Thou shalt eat the labors of thy hands; it shall be well with thee.

Offertory (Ps. 89:17):

And let the brightness of the Lord our God be upon us: and direct thou the works of our hands over us; yea, the work of our hands do thou direct.

Secret:

From the work of our hands we offer sacrifice to thee, O Lord, through the mediation of Saint Joseph may it be a pledge for us of union and peace.

Telling · « **Reply #29 on:** August 05, 2026, 10:57:42 AM »

Quote from: DecemRationis on August 05, 2026, 10:30:09 AM

Quote from: DecemRationis 05/08/2026, 21:00:09
The offertory of the Novus Ordo shows unmistakably that it is a false sacrifice, displeasing to God. In Genesis 4, God tells us:

3 And it came to pass after many days, that Cain offered, of the fruits of the earth, gifts to the Lord. 4 Abel also offered of the firstlings of his flock, and of their fat: and the Lord had respect to Abel, and to his offerings. 5 But to Cain and his offerings he had no respect: and Cain was exceedingly angry, and his countenance fell.

The offertory of the NO:

Blessed are you, Lord God of all creation, for through your goodness we have received the bread we offer you: fruit of the earth and work of human hands, it will become for us the bread of life.

Did you read the last few words of the prayer you quoted above? Bolding and underlining mine. The Bread of Life is the Holy Eucharist according to John 6 (6:24-60, the Bread of Life discourse). So the prayer you quoted is in fact a perfectly Catholic description of the Catholic doctrine of Transubstantiation. You do believe in Transubstantiation, right?

Can you address this from Archbishop Lefebvre? "“Should all the world’s churches be emptied? I do not feel brave enough to say such a thing. I don’t want to encourage atheism."[10.]”
Here, Archbishop Lefebvre [+ABL] precisely expresses the Truth that telling Roman Catholics to empty all Diocesan Churches encourages only Atheism.
A 2nd time: “if one does not have the choice and if the priest celebrating Mass according to the Novus Ordo is faithful and worthy, one should not abstain from going to Mass.”[44]”

So according to Archbishop Lefebvre, you are "encouraging Atheism". It is a poisonous doctrine to say the NOM is supposedly evil, rather than being only an inferior form of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Also, the bread does not remain mere bread, therefore it is no longer the "fruit of the earth". It is the Bread of Life, the True Body of Christ.

Here are some additional prayers from the NOM. Do they look like idolatrous non-Catholic worship to you? In Eucharistic Prayer IV: “It is truly right to give you thanks, truly just to give you glory, Father, most holy, for you are the One God living and true, existing before all ages and abiding for all eternity, dwelling in unapproachable light; yet you, who alone are good, the source of life, have made all that is, so that you might fill your creatures with blessings and bring joy to many of them by the glory of your light. And so, in your presence are countless hosts of Angels, who serve you day and night and, gazing upon the glory of your face, glorify you without ceasing. With them we, too, confess your name in exultation, giving voice to every creature under heaven as we acclaim:” This is worship of the True God, the Eternal Father, with His Son and His Spirit. And here is EP III which underlines the same point: “You are indeed Holy, O Lord, and all you have created rightly gives you praise, for through your Son our Lord Jesus Christ, by the power and working of the Holy Spirit, you give life to all things and make them holy, and you never cease to gather a people to yourself, so that from the rising of the sun to its setting a pure sacrifice may be offered to your name.” This is a reference to Malachi 1:11, which prophesies the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. It affirms Catholic doctrine. You have embraced Protestant opinions about the Magisterium, believing it can defect or give evil. The Church affirms every doctrine affirmed at Trent.

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