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Re: Cardinal Burke and Bishop Athanasius call for a 40 day PrayerFastingCrusade.
« Reply #30 on: September 14, 2019, 06:51:50 AM »
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  • OK....but the folks they are trying to reach are being fooled by them.    

    In what way?

    You believe that everyone associated with the conciliar church need to keep quiet about what is going with the synod?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Cardinal Burke and Bishop Athanasius call for a 40 day PrayerFastingCrusade.
    « Reply #31 on: September 14, 2019, 06:53:02 AM »
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  • In what way?

    You believe that everyone associated with the conciliar church need to keep quiet about what is going with the synod?
    That's already been addressed in this thread.  


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    Re: Cardinal Burke and Bishop Athanasius call for a 40 day PrayerFastingCrusade.
    « Reply #32 on: September 14, 2019, 06:54:28 AM »
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  • That's already been addressed in this thread.  

    I have to assume that you believe, like the liberals, that silence about the synod is preferable to asking for prayer and fasting. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Cardinal Burke and Bishop Athanasius call for a 40 day PrayerFastingCrusade.
    « Reply #33 on: September 14, 2019, 06:57:37 AM »
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  • I have to assume that you believe, like the liberals, that silence about the synod is preferable to asking for prayer and fasting.
    Of course Meg...you can only assume the worst about any sede.  I made the mistake of trying to respectfully engage with you. I won't make that mistake again.

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    Re: Cardinal Burke and Bishop Athanasius call for a 40 day PrayerFastingCrusade.
    « Reply #34 on: September 14, 2019, 06:58:55 AM »
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  • Of course Meg...you can only assume the worst about any sede.  I made the mistake of trying to respectfully engage with you. I won't make that mistake again.

    Thank you.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Cardinal Burke and Bishop Athanasius call for a 40 day PrayerFastingCrusade.
    « Reply #35 on: September 14, 2019, 07:27:52 AM »
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  • Thank you.
    Meg,

    In this context, what does this verse mean to you?

    "And what concord hath Christ with Belial? Or what part hath the faithful with the unbeliever?"
    2 Corinthians 6:15

    In this context, how does the gravamen of Mortalium animos apply?

    https://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius11/p11morta.htm

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    Re: Cardinal Burke and Bishop Athanasius call for a 40 day PrayerFastingCrusade.
    « Reply #36 on: September 14, 2019, 07:32:31 AM »
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  • Meg,

    In this context, what does this verse mean to you?

    "And what concord hath Christ with Belial? Or what part hath the faithful with the unbeliever?"
    2 Corinthians 6:15

    In this context, how does the gravamen of Mortalium animos apply?

    https://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius11/p11morta.htm

    Bp. Williamson has said that it is a mistake to think that there is no faith left in the Novus Ordo (those who attend it).

    I cannot completely write of everyone in the conciliar church as being of Belial. That's one of the problems with sedeism. 

    I have no interest in looking at the encyclical you linked to. It doesn't have to be complicated.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Cardinal Burke and Bishop Athanasius call for a 40 day PrayerFastingCrusade.
    « Reply #37 on: September 14, 2019, 07:35:50 AM »
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  • Bp. Williamson has said that it is a mistake to think that there is no faith left in the Novus Ordo (those who attend it).

    I cannot completely write of everyone in the conciliar church as being of Belial.

    I have no interest in looking at the encyclical you linked to. It doesn't have to be complicated.
    A single heresy puts one out of the Church.
    Thank you for stipulating that you are not interested in a papal exhortation that we should not worship with heretics.


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    Re: Cardinal Burke and Bishop Athanasius call for a 40 day PrayerFastingCrusade.
    « Reply #38 on: September 14, 2019, 07:39:09 AM »
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  • A single heresy puts one out of the Church.
    Thank you for stipulating that you are not interested in a papal exhortation that we should not worship with heretics.

    Why would you want to participate on a forum that mentions those who attend the conciliar church in a charitable yet realistic fashion?

    Shoudn't you start a sede forum in which nothing charitable is ever allowed to be mentioned toward those who attend the conciliar church? Because we are allowed to mention it here. You don't like it, but that's okay.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Cardinal Burke and Bishop Athanasius call for a 40 day PrayerFastingCrusade.
    « Reply #39 on: September 14, 2019, 08:26:26 AM »
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  • Why would you want to participate on a forum that mentions those who attend the conciliar church in a charitable yet realistic fashion?

    Shoudn't you start a sede forum in which nothing charitable is ever allowed to be mentioned toward those who attend the conciliar church? Because we are allowed to mention it here. You don't like it, but that's okay.
    Why would you dishonestly conflate worship and discussion?

    It is worship with heretics—such as joining in prayer and fasting—that is forbidden. Other forms of interaction, such as discussion, are not forbidden.

    Since you opened the door to suggestions, shouldn't you start a forum for noisome domineering harpies?

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    Re: Cardinal Burke and Bishop Athanasius call for a 40 day PrayerFastingCrusade.
    « Reply #40 on: September 14, 2019, 08:42:30 AM »
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  • Why would you dishonestly conflate worship and discussion?

    It is worship with heretics—such as joining in prayer and fasting—that is forbidden. Other forms of interaction, such as discussion, are not forbidden.

    Since you opened the door to suggestions, shouldn't you start a forum for noisome domineering harpies?

    Nonsense. That's what I expect from sedes.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Cardinal Burke and Bishop Athanasius call for a 40 day PrayerFastingCrusade.
    « Reply #41 on: September 14, 2019, 08:44:49 AM »
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  • Nonsense. That's what I expect from sedes.
    A gratuitous and contumacious rejection of a papal teaching against worshipping with heretics is what I expect from a noisome domineering harpy.

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    Re: Cardinal Burke and Bishop Athanasius call for a 40 day PrayerFastingCrusade.
    « Reply #42 on: September 14, 2019, 08:46:03 AM »
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  • A gratuitous and contumacious rejection of a papal teaching against worshipping with heretics is what I expect from a noisome domineering harpy.

    I would expect no less from a sedevacantist.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Cardinal Burke and Bishop Athanasius call for a 40 day PrayerFastingCrusade.
    « Reply #43 on: September 14, 2019, 08:51:24 AM »
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  • I would expect no less from a sedevacantist.
    Except that every single sedevacantist I know accepts the papal teaching against worshipping with heretics.
    In my experience, it is modernists and noisome domineering harpies that reject the papal teaching against worshipping with heretics.

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    Re: Cardinal Burke and Bishop Athanasius call for a 40 day PrayerFastingCrusade.
    « Reply #44 on: September 14, 2019, 08:54:31 AM »
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  • Except that every single sedevacantist I know accepts the papal teaching against worshipping with heretics.
    In my experience, it is modernists and noisome domineering harpies that reject the papal teaching against worshipping with heretics.

    I don't have to accept the sede view that everyone in the conciliar church is a heretic. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29