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His Excellency Bishop Athanasius Schneider, truly a latter day Athanasius for our time, and His Eminence Cardinal Raymond Burke, have called on the Faithful to join in a 40 day Crusade of prayer and fasting, with God's Grace and to the best of one's abilities. From: http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/crusade

In an earlier Declaration of Truths, the good Cardinals and Bishops had already declared the necessity of Catholic Faith in Jesus Christ for salvation. Here, they build on that, and attack the false ideas in the Amazon synod document, including its undermining Clerical Continence and Celibacy etc. Thoughts?

A CRUSADE OF PRAYER AND FASTING: TO IMPLORE GOD THAT ERROR AND HERESY DO NOT PERVERT THE COMING SPECIAL ASSEMBLY OF THE SYNOD OF BISHOPS FOR THE PAN-AMAZON Various prelates and lay commentators, as well as lay institutions, have warned that the authors of the Instrumentum Laboris, issued by the secretariat of the Synod of Bishops, to serve as the basis for discussion in the coming Special Assembly for the Pan-Amazon, have inserted serious theological errors and heresies into the document. We invite Catholic clergy and laity to participate in a crusade of prayer and fasting to implore our Lord and Savior, through the intercession of His Virgin Mother, for the following intentions: that the theological errors and heresies inserted in the Instrumentum Laboris may not be approved during the synodal assembly; that particularly Pope Francis, in the exercise of the Petrine ministry, may confirm his brethren in the faith by an unambiguous rejection of the errors of the Instrumentum Laboris and that he may not consent to the abolition of priestly celibacy in the Latin Church by introducing the praxis of the ordination of married men, the so-called “viri probati”, to the Holy Priesthood. We propose a forty-day crusade of prayer and fasting to begin on September 17 and end on October 26, 2019, the day before the conclusion of the Special Assembly of the Synod of Bishops for the PanAmazon. Anyone who first learns about the Crusade after the date of its beginning can naturally join the Crusade at any point. During the forty-day crusade of prayer and fasting, we propose to pray daily at least one decade of the Holy Rosary and to fast once a week for the above mentioned intentions. According to the tradition of the Church, fasting consists in eating only one full meal during the day, and additionally, one may eat up to two smaller meals. Fasting on bread and water is also recommended to those who are able to do so. 

It is our duty to make the faithful aware of some of the main errors that are being spread through the Instrumentum Laboris. By way of premise, it must be observed that the document is long and is marked by a language which is not clear in its meaning, especially in what regards the deposit of faith (depositum fidei). Among the principal errors, we especially note the following: 

1. Implicit pantheism The Instrumentum Laboris promotes a pagan socialization of “Mother Earth”, based on a cosmology of the Amazonian tribes that is implicitly pantheistic. ‒ Aboriginal people discover how all parts “are dimensions that constitutively exist in relation, forming a vital whole” (n°21) and therefore live “in communion with nature as a whole” (n°18) and “in dialogue with the spirits” (n°75); ‒ Their life and “good living” are characterized by “harmony of relationships” between “the whole cosmos – nature, men, the supreme being” and the “various spiritual forces” (n°12 & 13), captured in the “mantra” of Pope Francis: “everything is connected” (n°25); ‒ The beliefs and rites of the “elderly healers” (n°88 & 89) regarding the “many-named divinity” acting with and in relation to nature (n°25), “create harmony and balance between human beings and the cosmos” (n°87); ‒ Therefore, we must listen to the cry of (n°146), stop the extermination of (n°17) and live healthily in harmony with “Mother Earth” (n°85). The Magisterium of the Church rejects such an implicit pantheism as incompatible with the Catholic Faith: “The warmth of Mother Earth, whose divinity pervades the whole of creation, is held to bridge the gap between creation and the transcendent Father-God of Judaism and Christianity, and removes the prospect of being judged by such a Being. In such a vision of a closed universe that contains ‘God’ and other spiritual beings along with ourselves, we recognize here an implicit pantheism” (Pontifical Council for Culture & Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue, “Jesus Christ. The Bearer of the Water of Life: A Christian Reflection on the ‘New Age’”, 2.3.1). In the following affirmation the Magisterium of the Church rejects pantheism and relativism, teaching: “They tend to relativize religious doctrine, in favor of a vague world–view expressed as a system of myths and symbols dressed in religious language. Moreover, they often propose a pantheistic concept of God which is incompatible with Sacred Scripture and Christian Tradition. They replace personal responsibility to God for our actions with a sense of duty to the cosmos, thus overturning the true concept of sin and the need for redemption through Christ” (John Paul II, Address to the United States Bishops of Iowa, Kansas, Missouri and Nebraska on their “Ad Limina” Visit, 28 May 1993).
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  • 2. Pagan superstitions as sources of Divine Revelation and alternative pathways for salvation The Instrumentum Laboris draws from its implicit pantheistic conception an erroneous concept of Divine Revelation, stating basically that God continues to self-communicate in history through the conscience of the peoples and the cries of nature. According to this view, the pagan superstitions of the Amazon tribes are an expression of divine Revelation deserving an attitude of dialogue and acceptance on the part of the Church: ‒ The Amazon is a “theological place” where faith “or the experience of God in history” is lived; it is “a particular source of God’s revelation: epiphanic places” where the “caresses of God” become “incarnate in history” (n°19); ‒ The Church must “discover the incarnate and active presence of God” in “the spirituality of original peoples” (n°33), recognizing in them “other avenues / pathways” (n°39), since the Creator Spirit “has nurtured the spirituality of these peoples for centuries, even before the proclamation of the Gospel” (n°120) teaching them “faith in the God Father-Mother Creator” and “the living relationship with nature and ‘Mother Earth’” as well as “with ancestors” (n°121); ‒ Through dialogue, the Church must avoid imposing “petrified doctrines” (n°38), “formulations of faith expressed with other cultural referents” (n°120), and a “corporatist attitude, that reserve salvation exclusively for one’s own creed,” (n°39); by so doing, the Church will be journeying “in search of its identity towards unity in the Holy Spirit” (n°40); The Magisterium of the Church rejects the relativization of the uniqueness of God’s revelation as contained in Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition, teaching: “The Church has always venerated the divine Scriptures just as she venerates the body of the Lord (...) She has always maintained them, and continues to do so, together with sacred Tradition, as the supreme rule of faith, since, as inspired by God and committed once and for all to writing, they impart the word of God Himself without change, and make the voice of the Holy Spirit resound in the words of the prophets and Apostles. Therefore, like the Christian religion itself, all the preaching of the Church must be nourished and regulated by Sacred Scripture” (Second Vatican Council, Dogmatic Constitution Dei Verbum, n°21). The Magisterium of the Church affirms that there is one unique Savior, Jesus Christ, and the Church is His unique Mystical Body and Bride: “In connection with the unicity and universality of the salvific mediation of Jesus Christ, the unicity of the Church founded by him must be firmly believed as a truth of Catholic faith. Just as there is one Christ, so there exists a single body of Christ, a single Bride of Christ: ‘a single Catholic and Apostolic Church’. Furthermore, the promises of the Lord that he would not abandon his Church (cf. Mt 16:18; 28:20) and that he would guide her by his Spirit (cf. Jn 16:13) mean, according to Catholic faith, that the unicity and the unity of the Church — like everything that belongs to the Church's integrity — will never be lacking” (Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith – Declaration Dominus Iesus on the unicity and salvific universality of Jesus Christ and the Church, n°16). 

    3. Intercultural dialogue instead of evangelization The Instrumentum Laboris contains the erroneous theory that aboriginal people have already received divine revelation, and that the Catholic Church in the Amazon should undergo a “missionary and pastoral conversion”, instead of introducing doctrine and practice of universal truth and goodness. The Instrumentum Laboris says also that the Church must enrich herself with the symbols and rites of the aboriginal people: ‒ An “outgoing Church” avoids the risk of “proposing a solution with universal value” or the application of “a monolithic body of doctrine guarded by all” (n°110) and favours interculturality, i.e. “a mutual enrichment of cultures in dialogue,” because “the active subjects of inculturation are the indigenous peoples themselves” (n°122); ‒ Furthermore, the Church recognizes “indigenous spirituality as a source of riches for the Christian experience” and undertakes “a catechesis that assumes the language and meaning of the narratives of the indigenous and Afro-descendant cultures” (n°123); ‒ By mutually sharing their “their experiences of God,” believers make “their differences a stimulus to grow and deepen their own faith” (n°136). The Magisterium of the Church rejects the idea that missionary activity is merely intercultural enrichment, teaching: “‘Missions’ is the term usually given to those particular undertakings by which the heralds of the Gospel, sent out by the Church and going forth into the whole world, carry out the task of preaching the Gospel and planting the Church among peoples or groups who do not yet believe in Christ. (...) The proper purpose of this missionary activity is evangelization, and the planting of the Church among those peoples and groups where it has not yet taken root. (...) The chief means of the planting referred to is the preaching of the Gospel of Jesus Christ” (Second Vatican Council, Decree Ad Gentes, n°6). “Through inculturation the Church makes the Gospel incarnate in different cultures and at the same time introduces peoples, together with their cultures, into her own community. She transmits to them her own values, at the same time taking the good elements that already exist in them and renewing them from within. Through inculturation the Church, for her part, becomes a more intelligible sign of what she is, and a more effective instrument of mission” (Pope John Paul II, Encyclical Redemptoris Missio, n°52) ...
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    Ecumenism is false.  You don’t encourage people to retain traces of their culture that includes symbols or idols of false gods of false religions of their past.  Pagans should be baptized and taught the faith.  They should be encouraged to live the faith in everything.  Jesus Christ now and forever.  

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  • His Excellency Bishop Athanasius Schneider, truly a latter day Athanasius for our time, and His Eminence Cardinal Raymond Burke, have called on the Faithful to join in a 40 day Crusade of prayer and fasting, with God's Grace and to the best of one's abilities. From: http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/crusade

    I have to disagree.  I believe that men like +Schneider and +Burke are VERY DANGEROUS to Tradition.  In calling out the most egregious of the V2 era heresies, they present themselves as paragons of orthodoxy, whereas in point of fact they themselves are Modernists.  So people cold be lulled to sleep about other V2 errors by following their lead.

    It's easy to figure out who Bergoglio is, but men like these create confusion by presenting the appearances of Traditional Catholic theology.

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  • Yes, Pax Vobis spoke about these "traditional" prelates in another thread.

    Indeed, people are so desperate for ANY truth and common sense, they grasp at anything, even a morsel of it.

    In a world where all food is covered in maggots and roaches, if you find a cold, dusty, half-eaten chicken drumstick on the ground that has NO BUGS ON IT (yay!) you get all excited and dig right in.

    But a cold, dust-covered, half-eaten drumstick with no bugs on it yet is NOT "as good as it gets". We Traditional Catholics, at least, know what we're missing: How about a nice clean, piping hot piece of fried chicken fresh from the deep-fryer at a well known restaurant that specializes in fried chicken? (Yes, Fridays are hard on me...hahaha)
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  • Why am I not surprised that the biggest SSPX apologist (XavierSem) has so re-calibrated his scale of "good and bad" that a cold, dusty, half-eaten drumstick is the best food he ever finds?  After all, he's in the SSPX milieu now. They're losing it.

    The SSPX is the dog who has returned to its vomit. They left the vomit of Vatican II, and now they have returned to it. Like pigs return to wallowing in the mire, even after they've been hosed off, so also the SSPX can't resist going back to the Conciliar Church and its errors.

    All the modern-day Athanasiuses have fled for the Resistance. Anyone left is a sellout with one or more higher priorities than God and His glory, and the glory of Holy Mother Church.
    Even if that "higher priority" is just "the good of the SSPX". Sorry, but God comes before the SSPX. If the SSPX has outlived its usefulness, then so be it. Human emotional attachment is not a virtue, nor is it meritorious. Cry a little, and move on. It's not like Christ ever made a promise to +ABL about how long the SSPX would last.

    There are some real fanboys who have deified the SSPX and/or +ABL. They had their heart set on +ABL fixing the Crisis at some point, even if only post-humously via his SSPX.

    But be of good cheer, SSPXers. His first choice of bishop, Bishop Williamson, is continuing the good fight. So +ABL still gets credit. And the SSPX formed all the good priests who left to form the Resistance. All 4 Resistance bishops were formed in the SSPX.

    But you need to move on, already. The SSPX will do less good every year from now on, until they utterly fail. They are doomed, since the whole leadership has gone over to a pro-Vatican II mindset. There is no human hope of repair. Sure, God could work a miracle, but He could work a miracle with ANY religious group or Congregation. God could create a new congregation out of NOTHING, going from void to a new congregation of 500 full grown men. So saying "God could always convert them" doesn't mean much, practically speaking.

    Just like I wouldn't vote for Hillary Clinton because "God could always convert her. She still has a soul to save." Come to me asking for my vote AFTER she has converted then, OK?
    We have to judge the objective goodness and badness of actions and positions AS THEY EXIST, in reality, TODAY.

    You don't advise your daughter to marry an atheist or a Jew because "He could always convert, and Jews make the best Catholics". You can't treat a Maybe as a "Yes". Especially since, for God, everything is a Maybe!
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  • ...they present themselves as paragons of orthodoxy, whereas in point of fact they themselves are Modernists. 

    Could you please elaborate? 

    If this has already been discussed on the forum somewhere, a simple link to that discussion would suffice (I'm not very good with the 'search' function here).

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  • I have to disagree.  I believe that men like +Schneider and +Burke are VERY DANGEROUS to Tradition.  In calling out the most egregious of the V2 era heresies, they present themselves as paragons of orthodoxy, whereas in point of fact they themselves are Modernists.  So people cold be lulled to sleep about other V2 errors by following their lead.

    It's easy to figure out who Bergoglio is, but men like these create confusion by presenting the appearances of Traditional Catholic theology.

    Burke I question, but I have nothing against Schneider, though I do not know everything about him. If we cannot trust him, then I know of no Bishop with a public presence within the Novus Ordo who we can trust. He is the best one I know of. There is a photo of him posing with ministers of other religions as a sign that he is a false ecumenist heretic, but I was not there with them to know if he was praying to their false Gods, or trying to convert them from their false gods and their Idolatry (I assume the latter).
    The most touching thing I ever heard from a Novus Ordo Bishop of our generation was how in an interview he told the story of how he went to his underground Bishop behind the red curtain one last time before he "escaped" into the west. And the Bishop warned him that in Germany (I believe he was going to Germany) in some of the Churches they allow Communion in the hand. Then when he and his family got to Germany they went to Mass and everyone was receiving Our Lord in their hands. So they talked among each other and decided to go to another Church (there were four Catholic Churches in his town) and the same thing happened. So they went to the third Church and the same thing happened. And finally they thought there must have been one Church in their town where Our Lord was respected during Holy Communion and they went to the final Church in their town. And there they also found that the people were receiving Communion in the hand. And they were heartbroken. I do not remember if they cried, but I hope they did.

    So I want to trust Schneider.

    Perhaps there are some hidden good Bishops, but I have never heard anything about them. I do not want to throw away all the Bishops who say the Novus Ordo.

    I don't want to look at the entire Novus Ordo hierarchy and say "Let the dead bury the dead." Are we really at that point? If we have to I will accept that. But I do not think we are there yet. I still have hope for some of them as I have hope for some of the laity who still attend to Novus Ordo because they do not know anything else. I have little hope for the older generation. Those who grew up with the traditional Mass and rejected it knowing full well what they are doing. But the younger ones who grew up in the Novus Ordo I have more hope for.

    As R&R we have to hope that the Novus Ordo will at some point convert so we cannot throw them all away like the sedevacantists do. We should see signs of orthodoxy and hope for the best and that they will grow into a rebirth of tradition.
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  • The SSPX is the dog who has returned to its vomit. They left the vomit of Vatican II, and now they have returned to it.

    This is the perfect metaphor for what's going on.

    So the dog, after it has rid itself of something foul (harmful or poisonous) in the food, suddenly finds itself feeling better.  Then, feeling better, it regains its appetite ... and so it decides that the vomit might be tasty afterall.

    Same thing here.  SSPX went many decades separated from the V2 poison.  Having so long been separated, they felt better and more alive as Catholics, and have forgotten the foul poison that remains there.  They take a lick.  Hey, not so bad.  I'm not sure what the big deal was with the food in the first place.  Then another lick, then a bite.  Suddenly they've re-ingested the entire poisonous meal.

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  • It's not like Christ ever made a promise to +ABL about how long the SSPX would last.

    Heck, St. Ignatius was still alive when the Jesuits started going south.

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    Re: Cardinal Burke and Bishop Athanasius call for a 40 day PrayerFastingCrusade.
    « Reply #10 on: September 13, 2019, 10:51:13 AM »
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  • Burke I question, but I have nothing against Schneider, though I do not know everything about him. 

    This would likely change if you knew more.


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    Re: Cardinal Burke and Bishop Athanasius call for a 40 day PrayerFastingCrusade.
    « Reply #11 on: September 13, 2019, 10:53:11 AM »
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  • So I want to trust Schneider.

    I would like to as well, but so long as he operates within the Conciliar framework he is ipso facto un-trustworthy.

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    Re: Cardinal Burke and Bishop Athanasius call for a 40 day PrayerFastingCrusade.
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    I don't want to look at the entire Novus Ordo hierarchy and say "Let the dead bury the dead." Are we really at that point? If we have to I will accept that. But I do not think we are there yet. I still have hope for some of them as I have hope for some of the laity who still attend to Novus Ordo because they do not know anything else. I have little hope for the older generation. Those who grew up with the traditional Mass and rejected it knowing full well what they are doing. 
    Matto, you rightly chastise the older generations for rejecting Tradition with full knowledge.  Yet you hold out hope for the hierarchy, who is filled with the older generation.  Don’t you see the problem there?  The hierarchy is doomed PRECISELY because they rejected orthodoxy through V2.  And 50 yrs later, we see the devastating fruits of such rejection.  Most of the hierarchy still can’t “connect the dots”, because as Fr Hesse pointed out, having spent a lot of time in Rome around these people, most of them aren’t well schooled in the Faith or they keep their eyes closed to the modernism all around them, because they are just “happy to be there” with a good job.  So we can’t trust them due to their weak faith or their lack of fortitude.  Or both. 
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    The younger generations you hold out hope for, only have hope due to Tradition.  The novus ordo only offers the new age religion of humanism, the freemasonic brotherhood of globalism and the one-world community of the age of anti-Christ.  It can bear no good fruits; 50 years have proved this.  

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    Re: Cardinal Burke and Bishop Athanasius call for a 40 day PrayerFastingCrusade.
    « Reply #13 on: September 13, 2019, 11:45:50 AM »
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  • Could you please elaborate?  

    If this has already been discussed on the forum somewhere, a simple link to that discussion would suffice (I'm not very good with the 'search' function here).
    Personally, I know next to nothing about these two, but knowing that for the last 50 years they've said the new "mass" is enough to know that neither are even close to being a "latter day Athanasius for our time".

    They are as orthodox as PBXVI was - which is to repeat Lad's words: "they present themselves as paragons of orthodoxy, whereas in point of fact they themselves are Modernists". And that's being nice.  
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    Re: Cardinal Burke and Bishop Athanasius call for a 40 day PrayerFastingCrusade.
    « Reply #14 on: September 13, 2019, 11:51:26 AM »
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  • Recall that Burke "consecrated" a tranny to be a N.O. "nun."

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