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Calling the Novus Ordo a sacrilege - or not
« on: May 06, 2019, 06:50:40 PM »

What do you think of a “trad,” who claims to have rejected the Novus Ordo since 1971 or so.  Yet to this day will not condemn it - will not call it a sacrilege, because "it may still be a Mass"…?

Re: Calling the Novus Ordo a sacrilege - or not
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2019, 07:52:26 PM »
What do you think of a “trad,” who claims to have rejected the Novus Ordo since 1971 or so.  Yet to this day will not condemn it - will not call it a sacrilege, because "it may still be a Mass"…?
This is so vague I don't know what it means.  Do you mean someone who basically says "The Mass might be valid, I can't definitively say its a sacrilege, but its doubtful in some way [in what way?] and thus better off to avoid it?"


Re: Calling the Novus Ordo a sacrilege - or not
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2019, 08:21:21 PM »
If you mean that someone who has refused to go but don’t condemn it, it’s essentially the bipolar position of the FSSP that certain sectors in the SSPX have been leaning towards. And it’s ridiculous. “The Latin Mass is our spirituality” shows that the faith is a separate point. I know people who seems to only care about the “pretty music”. The Kingship of Our Lord Jesus Christ is not a sonata, it’s a bloody fight against the power of the world, flesh and devil which is promoted by the ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic powers that be. And any kind of halfway cooperation is a cop out, and proves one to be a sell out on our faith. 

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Re: Calling the Novus Ordo a sacrilege - or not
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2019, 09:10:13 PM »
Most people mix up the ideas of validity, legality and morality.  They falsely assume if it has a valid consecration then it can’t be wrong. 

Re: Calling the Novus Ordo a sacrilege - or not
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2019, 10:24:42 AM »
I wanted to throw out to you all what the person in question said.  It was precisely as written above.  Before I made a response, or asked for further clarification, I wanted to see if perhaps I was missing something and wanted the opinion of others.

Maybe I am wrong, but it seems the persons hesitates to call it a sacrilege - because it is blasphemy to call a Mass a sacrilege??  As long as the NO may be a Mass, it cannot be blasphemed by being called a sacrilege. I can't make sense of the statement any other way. 

Well - ridiculous.  This person, I believe, has to fudge on this because of family members, et al.  Cannot brook the hard position, so in apparent piety, pulls the necessary punch, and life stays easier.  It's high and elevated way to think about it.    

What does Our Lord say about "Yea yea - no no"?  And what of the person calling evil good and good, evil?

Quo Primum says if anyone dares to touch the Tridentine Mass, he will incur the wrath of Almighty God and the Holy Apostles, Peter and Paul.  With THAT kind of muscle to back you up, there is no excuse (with Confirmation graces to help you, even!), for not seeing the obvious.