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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Autobiography of Archbishop Thuc
« Reply #460 on: June 18, 2026, 08:08:05 PM »
Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on June 16, 2026, 01:59:54 AM
This forum has been totally infiltrated by Thuc cultists.

Yet you are trying to gaslight me into thinking that posting resistance positions on a resistance forum is wrong.

Got it.

Riiight, moron ... if you consider the Holy Orders conferred by Archbishop Thuc to be valid, and consider your calumny and slanders against him to be grave sins, they are "Thuc cultists".

You were blowing smoke and more lies when you claimed that I defended the validity of his Holy Ordres because I must rely on them for Sacraments -- an untruth that you merely pulled from your own sphincter.  I received Holy Communion at the Mass of a +Thuc-line ordained priest exactly one time.

It's just one insult and personal attack after another, with zero substance, and you have the temerity to accuse others of gaslighting.  Begone, Scuмmage.
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Offline TomGubbinsKimmage

Re: Autobiography of Archbishop Thuc
« Reply #461 on: June 19, 2026, 02:01:37 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on June 18, 2026, 07:58:11 PM
So, the slanders continue.  There's no evidence that he "repented" of Traditional Catholicism.  At the end, he had been kidnapped by the Vietnamese Communist mob, and you can see in the picture of him at the very end that he appears to be in shock, not unlike how Cardinal Mindszenty appeared in a daze after his torture.  We have absolutely no idea what happened to him after they took him into custody.

Prior to that, he did partially concelebrate the Novus Ordo Mass one time out of obedience to his bishop, and was apologetic of having done so when criticzed later for it.

But lack of actual evidence has never stopped you from hurling slander and calumny.

There literally is. I posted only last week the signed letter.
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Offline TomGubbinsKimmage

Re: Autobiography of Archbishop Thuc
« Reply #462 on: June 19, 2026, 02:03:20 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on June 18, 2026, 08:04:32 PM
And Matthew has repeatedly explained that if you have a very large ration of dislikes to likes, there's likely something wrong with you and you generally don't fit in among Traditional Catholics.  Your pathetic "approval rating", or, rather, disapproval rating, provides additional confirmation of htat.

You remind me of the Jews who had been kicked out of 1,000 countries without stopping to think that maybe, just maybe, THEY were doing something to bring that treatment down upon their own heads.

Matthew and you saying that wont make it not a stupid idea. It democratizes truth.

Lets stop with the weird gesticulating.
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Offline TomGubbinsKimmage

Re: Autobiography of Archbishop Thuc
« Reply #463 on: June 19, 2026, 02:05:08 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on June 18, 2026, 08:08:05 PM
Riiight, moron ... if you consider the Holy Orders conferred by Archbishop Thuc to be valid, and consider your calumny and slanders against him to be grave sins, they are "Thuc cultists".

You were blowing smoke and more lies when you claimed that I defended the validity of his Holy Ordres because I must rely on them for Sacraments -- an untruth that you merely pulled from your own sphincter.  I received Holy Communion at the Mass of a +Thuc-line ordained priest exactly one time.

It's just one insult and personal attack after another, with zero substance, and you have the temerity to accuse others of gaslighting.  Begone, Scuмmage.

I cant no more begone than the Sacramental theology and practice of the Church begone. Never would Thuc of got of lightly by any theologian prior to VII.

You Thucists get off now because there is no official pronouncement yet. When the Church is restored our Bishops will be called to conditionally consecrate the Thucist ones.
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Offline Persto

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Re: Autobiography of Archbishop Thuc
« Reply #464 on: June 19, 2026, 11:25:06 AM »
https://ttu-files.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/Life-of-Mgr-Guerard-des-Lauriers-OP.pdf
Extra Conventum
The writing of the Short Study cost Fr. Guérard his professorship at the Lateran, which he lost in June of 1970...
Meanwhile, in the convent of Etiolles, where Father still had his home, things were not going better: some students of the seminary participated in the protests of 1968 in Paris, and the flag of the anarchists was raised on the roof of the convent. The superiors, although they took measures, no longer controlled the situation.

The decision of the Dominicans to sell Saulchoir was, for Fr. Guérard, a cause of sadness. In Saulchoir, he had had quite a quiet life in his little room in the upper part of the house, the “barn”, as his colleagues said, in jest, and there he had written on the wall of his cell: “O Beata Trinitas stat Veritas dum volvitur orbis” (O Blessed Trinity, the Truth remains whilst the world passes). It is a little summary of the entirety of his interior life, in which he tried to penetrate the mystery of the Most Holy Trinity. The Dominicans did not even bother to transport all of the sacred furniture, and it was thanks to the intervention of Fr. Louis-Bertrand (des Lauriers) that many objects of worship were saved from destruction or profane use. After this last episode, Mgr. Guérard asked (and obtained from his superiors) to live “extra conventum”: from that point, the Faith obliged him to physically separate himself from those persons that – by accepting the new reforms – were going to lose the Faith. 

At this moment, he thought of retiring to a practically isolated place, to consecrate himself to prayer and the completion of his studies. But man proposes and God dictates. Father dedicated himself to the preaching of retreats, the giving of conferences, especially about the current situation, and to looking after traditional Mass centres.

Mgr. Lefebvre opened the seminary at Écône and needed professors to provide teaching. He asked Fr. Guérard to give courses. Thus began the co-operation of Father with Mgr. Lefebvre, to whom he tried to do good, to clarify principles that truth and coherence demand in “traditionalist” action. 

During this time, Fr. Guérard searched for the theological explanation that rendered the rejection of the new reforms just and legitimate: he produced a thesis according to which the “pope”, from at least the 7th of December, 1965, openly and objectively did not outwardly profess any longer the Faith, and as a result of this lost ipso facto Authority over the Church Militant, because he no longer directed his actions in view of the good of the Church and the salvation of souls. Since, until proof to the contrary, his election seems valid, and seeing as no bishop has yet publicly warned him to retract his heresy, one conclude that he is “pope” solely “materially”, and not “formally” (cf. Sodalitium no 13, pp. 18-24), and so must not be mentioned in the Canon of the Holy Mass, in the offering of the Victim to God.

Having divisions in Écône about this topic, as much between professors as between students, Mgr. Lefebvre took the decision to “purge” the faculty. And Fr. Guérard was fired in the Autumn of 1977, after having preached the opening retreat to the seminarians at the start of the academic year, during which he had said, among other things, that one had to obey the “pope” as one would a corpse (not “perinde ac cadaver”, but rather “sicut cadaveri”).  Relations with Mgr. Lefebvre, however, continued to be good.
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