Author Topic: Autobiography of Archbishop Thuc (Read 153394 times)

Persto · « **Reply #400 on:** June 12, 2026, 10:59:45 PM »

Quote from: Persto on May 25, 2026, 05:42:54 PM

Fr. De Salvo, echoing Pope Leo’s teaching, assures us that “[a]s long as the lack of proper intention is not externally manifested, the Church presumes that the intention of the minister is correct.”154 Thus, the only thing that could overthrow the Church’s presumption of the sufficiency of the intention is evidence that is manifested externally in the very administration of the sacrament.

The Code of Canon Law later promulgated by Pope Benedict XV in 1917, teaches no differently:
It is never presumed that a minister, in carrying out an ordination, had . . . an intention of not ordaining, as long as the contrary be not proved, both because no one is presumed wicked, unless it be proved, and because an act, especially [one] so solemn as is an ordination, must be considered valid as long as invalidity be not irresistibly proved. 155

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Persto · « **Reply #401 on:** June 13, 2026, 02:47:52 PM »

http://www.thucbishops.com/Open_Letter_to_%20Bp_Kelly_FULL.pdf
p.41
What is the evidence of the eyewitnesses who knew Archbishop Thuc?

1. Dr. Hiller and Dr. Heller. These are the two German eyewitnesses of both these consecrations. They knew Archbishop Thuc intimately, having seen him regularly when the Archbishop resided in Munich for a number of months. They have both testified under oath, one in writing, the other orally, with God as their witness, that Archbishop Thuc was in full command of his faculties when he performed the above mentioned consecrations. These laymen are well-educated, intelligent, and alert; there is absolutely no reason to doubt their veracity or their ability to judge the Archbishop’s state of mind.

2. Fr. Noël Barbara. Fr. Barbara went to see Archbishop Thuc in the Spring of 1981 and then again in January 1982. He thus saw him both before and after the consecrations. Fr. Barbara has sworn, in writing, with God as his witness, that both times he found Archbishop Thuc to be in full use of his mental faculties, and that he answered the questions put to him about the consecrations clearly. Fr. Barbara also wrote, immediately after the January visit, notes concerning his conversation with Archbishop Thuc. These notes reflect the clear mind of the Archbishop, as he answered questions with clarity and distinct memory.

3. Fr. Gustave Delmasure. This priest, who was a well-respected traditional priest in France, former pastor of a parish in Cannes, went to see Archbishop Thuc in March of 1982. He has given sworn testimony, with God as his witness, that he found Archbishop Thuc to be in his right mind, and that he responded to his questions with swiftness and clarity.

4. Bishop Guérard des Lauriers. In a personal interview with Fr. Joseph Collins, Bishop Guérard des Lauriers, who himself had been consecrated in May, 1981 by Archbishop Thuc, attested to the fact that the Archbishop was in his right mind. He said that the rite of consecration was followed integrally by Archbishop Thuc, and that he (Thuc) was of sound mind throughout the ceremony. (Bishop Guérard des Lauriers was a well-known Dominican theologian who taught at the Lateran University in Rome, and who advised Pope Pius XII on the definition of the dogma of the Assumption in 1950).

5. Fr. Philippe Guépin. Fr. Guépin is a traditional priest who says Mass for a large group in Nantes. He was ordained by Archbishop Lefebvre in 1977, and was asked to leave the Society of St. Pius X in 1980 because he refused to recognize John Paul II as pope. He knew Archbishop Thuc at Ecône, and had prolonged conversations with him. He has attested that Archbishop Thuc was in his right mind.

6. Fr. Bruno Schaeffer, who was ordained by Abp. Thuc in 1982 (after the episcopal consecrations) told Fr. Guépin that Abp. Thuc was completely in his right mind, and that he observed the rite of ordination perfectly.

7. Eyewitnesses who saw him and knew him in Rochester, New York, where Abp. Thuc stayed in 1983 and 1984, also attested to the fact that even at that time, shortly before his death in 1984, Abp. Thuc was in his right mind, and offered daily Mass. 175

To this list we may also add the name of Mr. James Condit, Jr., of Cincinnati, Ohio, who met Bp. Thuc in Northern Kentucky in early 1982. Mr. Condit told me personally that he had found the bishop to be of entirely sound mind and that he had offered Holy Mass with great decorum. Furthermore, the bishop had distributed Holy Communion without any help from then-Fr. Louis Vezelis, who was also present, and this at an attendance of over 100 adults and children, according to Mr. Condit’s recollection. 176

I am also aware of www.ThucBishops.com Page 40 / 100 also other eyewitnesses who are on record testifying to Bp. Thuc’s sanity and mental stability, including Bp. Robert McKenna, Fr. Neil Webster, and Fr. Francis Miller. 177 With all of this eyewitness testimony sufficient to allow us to have moral certitude regarding Bp. Thuc’s lucidity, it is reasonable to ask the following questions: [A]re all these people liars?

TomGubbinsKimmage · « **Reply #402 on:** June 14, 2026, 12:56:08 AM »

All the eye witnesses in the world wont make a difference if he was internally withholding intention like he did with the Palmarians. There was lots of witnesses to that, and no one had any clue until he admitted to it afterwards.

MiracleOfTheSun · « **Reply #403 on:** June 14, 2026, 09:40:35 AM »

Kimmage is like a voice crying in the wilderness.

But he has no disciples and speaks only to the wind and to the crickets.

Put down the locusts and the Top Ramen and come on home.

Come on. You can do it. Come on home Kimmage.

TomGubbinsKimmage · « **Reply #404 on:** June 14, 2026, 12:46:27 PM »

You're such a foolish man,

The product of too much time online.

The vast majority of the resistance faithful and priests agree with me and have nothing to do with the Thuc line.

Did you not read Bishop Zs sermon a few weeks ago. He mentions the Thuc line.

But you losers are so much in your own heads that you can conceive otherwise.

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