Author Topic: Autobiography of Archbishop Thuc (Read 260211 times)

Persto · « **Reply #740 on:** August 17, 2026, 07:50:11 AM »

http://www.tboyle.net/Catholicism/Msgr_Chadwick_on_Bp_Roux.html

More Proof that the Supposed Consecration by Abp. Thuc of Roux is Fraudulent and Never Happened:

Msgr. Chadwick testifies:
"We come to 1982, the date of a false consecration docuмent with a forged signature of Archbishop Thuc. The docuмent is "countersigned" by a Father Michel Balzano, Assistant priest of Notre Dame du Port and a Father Amboise Ceppi as well as a policeman. Roux has always shown photocopies, never the original. However, in a letter dated on 9th November 1993, Dr Eberhard Heller, editor of the German traditionalist bulletin Einsicht, affirms that on 18th April 1982 Archbishop Thuc was not at Loano but with him and his family in Germany. Dr Heller, though an extreme sedevacantist, is a man of credibility and integrity."

"From November 1985, we have a video recording of his sub conditione priestly ordination by Bishop Jean Laborie, a prelate who had been consecrated several times by episcopi vagantes and finally re-consecrated by Archbishop Thuc in 1977. A bishop consecrated by Archbishop Thuc in 1982 would not get himself ordained a priest by a bishop in the same succession. The idea is ludicrous. Yet we have the proof, in which Roux is clearly identified and named. Bishop Laborie, Fr Yves Lavigne and Fr Dominique Labranque are clearly recognized. We also have the docuмent in Bishop Laborie's handwriting, and that one is genuine. This video tape and authentic docuмent definitively refute the claim of Roux to have been consecrated by Archbishop Thuc in 1982."

"Even in 1986, Roux was still styling himself as a Syro-Orthodox bishop, as he wrote an abusive letter to Bishop Philippe Miguet (Thuc succession). Only in December 1990 do we find him changing the name of one of his associations to Priestly Society of Archbishop Pierre-Martin Ngô-dinh-Thuc. It is from this time, after eight years, that Roux suddenly remembered that he had been consecrated by Archbishop Thuc in person!

From October 1993, Roux started convincing people of his fraudulent claims, and started rapidly to find "consecration fodder" in the form of a retired Roman Catholic priest from New Zealand, whom he consecrated. Dr Eberhard Heller published a warning about Roux in Einsicht. One may wonder why Dr Heller has never been taken to court.
From the years 1993-94, we find mentions of Roux committing fraud, promising false miracles, selling consecrated Hosts, and many other outrageous practices in order to make easy money. He produced forged letters alleged to be from the Vatican, dated from 1982, and confirming Roux's excommunication. If these letters had been genuine, they would convince people of the historical "fact" of his consecration by Archbishop Thuc. However, one letter is written in Dog-Latin, and the other, written in bad French - full of spelling errors - in no way represents the curial style of Vatican officials. They are clearly of his own composition using photocopied cut-and-pasted letterheads.

Many examples of false docuмents produced by Roux are beyond belief. On many of them, he did not even bother to ensure that the photocopied letterhead was accurately positioned parallel with the typewritten text. On some, the forgery is given away by feint lines betrayed by the poor quality photocopying.
In March 1994, Bishop Jean Laborie wrote to Roux complaining about the false claims to the episcopate from Archbishop Thuc."

Persto · « **Reply #741 on:** August 17, 2026, 07:50:57 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on August 15, 2026, 11:44:56 AM

Uhm, duh ... there's plenty of "coherent" reason, namely, distinguishing between those that Archbishop Thuc consecrated directly. Otherwise you'd have to attribute, what? ... a hundred thousand to Cardinal Rebiba?

+Thuc consecreated the 3 at Palmar
+Thuc consecrated Bishop Guerard des Laurier
+Thuc consecrated +Carmona and +Zamora
+Thuc conditionally consecrated +Laborie
+Thuc (may have) conditionally consecrated +Kozik/+Fernandez

I believe the +Kozik/+Fernandez one is also highly suspect.

That's it, and the rest are almost certainly just fraudulent claims.

And so what if he had personally consecrated 400? That would have nothing to do with whether or not they are valid bishops.

Ladislaus has mentioned that he views the Kozik and Fernandez conditional consecrations as highly suspect.

In looking at the post #738 above "Are They All Legit"?
I noticed that I left out the fact from the Boyle list that Fernandez claims to have been conditionally consecrated on 10-19-1978. His claim "is but a reported consecration by Magr. Thuc. It may never have occurred" according to Boyle- so extremely doubtful.

But, I didn't notice until after that post, that Kozik's date of conditional consecration is the same exact date: 10-19-78. Not only is there no docuмentation, but also they were both already consecrated by Palmerian bishops, and since the supposed conditional consecration date is the same for both- if one is doubtful- that does not bode well for the other.

If Fernandez and Kozik are not in fact legit then we can add one more doubtful (conditional) consecration, from the total of 14 consecrations by Abp. Thuc, for a total of 10 that look legit and 4 that are extremely doubtful.

Incredulous · « **Reply #742 on:** August 17, 2026, 11:56:54 AM »

Good work!
Thanks for the clarification.

TomGubbinsKimmage · « **Reply #743 on:** August 17, 2026, 12:30:19 PM »

Lol. Serious damage control. Let me ask you, are the people claiming they are fake themselves Thuc line descended clergy?

Incredulous · « **Reply #744 on:** August 17, 2026, 08:03:43 PM »

But what do the resistance Bishops think about their own social media platform defaming Archbishop Thuc?

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