Author Topic: Autobiography of Archbishop Thuc (Read 60150 times)

Persto · « **Reply #500 on:** **Yesterday** at 06:47:06 AM »

http://www.einsicht-aktuell.de/index.php?svar=5&artikel_id=247&searchkey=guerard%20des%20lauriers
Autobiography of Bishop P. M. Ngô-dinh-Thuc - Prologue by Eberhard Heller

His Eminence Bishop Ngô-dinh-Thuc, who died more than twenty years ago, on December 13, 1984, shortly after his 87th birthday, in a hospital in Carthage, Ohio, played a decisive role, like few others, in the post-conciliar period and shaped the resistance against the heretical reforms of Vatican II. Even though there were attempts to largely silence his Declaration on the Sedevacantism, which he had signed in Munich on February 25, 1982, after his escape from Toulon, or to discredit it by portraying it as something he did only as a favor, the fact remains that, with this Declaration, Archbishop Thuc not only bestowed upon the supporters of our resistance movement the name "sedievacantists," but also bequeathed it as the only docuмent to which ecclesiastical binding force can be attributed, even though it was "only" drafted out of charity and not out of office.

Furthermore, with the consecrations of Father Guérard des Lauriers and the Mexican Fathers Carmona and Zamora on May 7 and October 17, 1981, respectively, Archbishop Thuc provided the Church with bishops to safeguard the apostolic succession, which had been jeopardized by the introduction of invalid consecration rites. Unfortunately, it must be added that, subsequently, certain priests who had themselves been consecrated bishops showed absolutely no interest in the reconstruction of the Church, although they nevertheless invoked Archbishop Thuc's line of succession.

The former Archbishop of Hue, Vietnam, made it easy for his enemies to argue against him when, in 1976, at Palmar de Troya, he consecrated the dubious visionary Clemente and others as priests and bishops. This debacle, which culminated in a scandal for the Church when Clemente declared himself "Pope," earned Archbishop Thuc the contempt of even his own family. Everyone tried to avoid him. From then on, he lived in isolation in Toulon, in extremely poor conditions, after an attempt to open an Orthodox seminary in Nice also failed.

Where others sensed only irritation, we were confronted more accurately with the justification that Archbishop Thuc had drafted for the administration of the consecrations in Palmar de Troya. In it, he referred to the general state of emergency that had arisen in the Church, which would also legitimize extraordinary measures, such as the aforementioned consecrations. Until then, none of the conservative prelates had provided such a statement and justification. For us, this was the reason to establish contact with the archbishop and explore a collaboration with him, which then proceeded secretly over several years. In the archbishop, we knew a cleric who captivated us with his commanding presence, his clear vision, and his direct manner. We were deeply moved that this priestly figure, with his prudence and tact, had been so overlooked and scorned, especially in his handling of human problems. With the disclosure of the priestly and episcopal consecrations he had administered in secret, he had to flee Toulon in 1982 due to persecution. We brought him to Munich. Here he spent a few months in relative safety, respected by the parishioners who could attend his daily celebration of Holy Mass. We were struck by the excellence and kindness with which, despite his own precarious situation, he cared for others, but also by the sharp irony with which he critically examined the world around him. Above all, I was impressed by his incredible energy and discipline, which he maintained even when he became seriously ill. Upon arriving in Munich, he attempted to learn German... at the age of 85! Even neighbors who didn't know who this old man was told us about the dignity he exuded. I will never understand the arrogance with which French clergymen treated him, clergymen who, in the three-time Doctor of Theology, only wanted to see the Vietnamese peasant from the rice fields, forgetting the high regard shown to him by, among others, Pope Pius XI.

After the archbishop returned from Munich to Toulon, Bishop Vezelis offered him lodging at his seminary in Rochester, New York, which, however, after a prolonged stay, he again left. Monsignor Thuc spent the last year of his life as a prelate in a Vietnamese seminary in the United States.

Since the autobiography breaks off at the moment when Monsignor Thuc leaves for Palmar de Troya, we have included in two appendices to his brief biography and docuмents marking the stages of the end of his life, which he himself called his Calvary.
Now that the controversy and accusations against His Eminence Bishop Ngo-dinh-Thuc have subsided, I hope that his own account of his life will be received without reservation. I extend my special thanks to Miss Elisabeth Meurer, who did the translation [into German].

Ergertshausen, January 17, 2005.

On behalf of the Circle of Friends of Una Voce e. V.

Eberhard Heller

Ladislaus · « **Reply #501 on:** **Yesterday** at 07:03:40 AM »

Quote from: Persto on Yesterday at 06:47:06 AM

http://www.einsicht-aktuell.de/index.php?svar=5&artikel_id=247&searchkey=guerard%20des%20lauriers
Autobiography of Bishop P. M. Ngô-dinh-Thuc - Prologue by Eberhard Heller

...

Since the autobiography breaks off at the moment when Monsignor Thuc leaves for Palmar de Troya, we have included in two appendices to his brief biography and docuмents marking the stages of the end of his life, which he himself called his Calvary.

... any chance of finding this? I thought that the second part of his autobiography had just not been posted, but it would appear that he simply never finished it, so that this would be incredibly helpful.

PS ... translation toward the beginning capitalizing Orthodox (in Orthodox seminary) would be incorrect.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #502 on:** **Yesterday** at 07:06:47 AM »

Quote from: Incredulous on June 25, 2026, 11:34:46 PM

Cabbage lecturing us from the Pfeiffer/Hewko-voodoo resistance.

He's digusting ... continuing with his filthy slander. What's worse, however, is that it goes unchecked on a public forum, making the forum admin complicit in it.

There's no evidence that Archbishop Thuc "repented of Tradtionalism". He was abducted by a group of Commie-affiliated Vietnamese and at the very least could possibly have been acting under duress. In the one or two picutres of him I had seen from that compound they took him too, he looks dazed, as if he were under the influence of something ... and no one had any direct contact with him during that period. There was some docuмent that he allegedly signed, but there's no evidence that he signed it, or that they didn't take his signature from something else, or that he signed it under duress, which even Cardinal Mindszenty did under the Communists.

TomGubbinsKimmage · « **Reply #503 on:** **Yesterday** at 10:52:34 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on Yesterday at 07:06:47 AM

He's digusting ... continuing with his filthy slander. What's worse, however, is that it goes unchecked on a public forum, making the forum admin complicit in it.

There's no evidence that Archbishop Thuc "repented of Tradtionalism". He was abducted by a group of Commie-affiliated Vietnamese and at the very least could possibly have been acting under duress. In the one or two picutres of him I had seen from that compound they took him too, he looks dazed, as if he were under the influence of something ... and no one had any direct contact with him during that period. There was some docuмent that he allegedly signed, but there's no evidence that he signed it, or that they didn't take his signature from something else, or that he signed it under duress, which even Cardinal Mindszenty did under the Communists.

I literally posted a signed letter, in this very thread.

Persto · « **Reply #504 on:** **Yesterday** at 11:19:15 AM »

The supposed "signed letter" signature:

Compared to known docuмents Abp. Thuc signed 2-3 years earlier:
And notice that the letters P, T, H, G, and N do not match. Also no Petras or Pierre but Peter. Martinus or Martin omitted.

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