Author Topic: Autobiography of Archbishop Thuc (Read 59890 times)

TomGubbinsKimmage · « **Reply #455 on:** June 18, 2026, 01:32:19 PM »

Quote from: SoldierofCtK on June 18, 2026, 07:48:38 AM

Scroll down, Tommy:

"We welcome the largest possible number of faithful Traditional Catholics of good will, from all backgrounds and walks of life, who are able to coexist in the same virtual space with those holding a wide variety of viewpoints on the Crisis in the Church, which began around 1965 with Vatican II."

You're being welcome doesn't make you right.

This forum has always supported Bishop Williamson unashamedly. If Matthew wants to retract his support for Bishop Z and the resistance Bishops, he is free to do that. One post is all I need.

Persto · « **Reply #456 on:** June 18, 2026, 06:23:29 PM »

https://ttu-files.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/Life-of-Mgr-Guerard-des-Lauriers-OP.pdf
More on Guerard des Lauriers:
During the 1950s, Mgr. Guérard participated in the controversies against the boundless neo-modernism which would end up dominating the Second Vatican Council. In his many writings regarding the theology of grace, he distinguished clearly the natural order from the supernatural order against the tendencies of the “Nouvelle Théologie” and of Fr. de Lubac. With respect to evolutionary cosmology, he was one of the principle opponents of Fr. Teilhard de Chardin (see Sommavilla: La Compagnia di Gesù, Rizzoli, 1985). These controversies led to the condemnation of neo-modernism on the part of Pius XII, with the encyclical Humani Generis (1950).

Mgr. Guérard denounced Fr. Congar to the Holy Office, and warned that the prefect, Cdl. Ottaviani, was ignoring the ideas of Congar; this unleashed against him the bad tempers of many of his colleagues, even in Saulchoir.

Fr. Guérard des Lauriers was an eminent mariologist. Under this title, he participated in the preparatory works for the definition of the Dogma of the Assumption (1950). On this occasion, he developed the doctrine of the Universal Ordinary Magisterium (regarding the Assumption) which proved the infallibility of the future dogma. Moreover, he was one of the principle theologians who seconded the intention of Pope Pius XII to complete the Marian Dogmas with the definition of Mary, Co-Mediatrix and Co-Redemptrix. But the progressives, who had not been able to evade the proclamation of the Assumption of the Most Holy Virgin, were able to put aside these two definitions. The proclamation of the Queenship of Mary (1954), which in the plans of Pope Pius XII should have served as a prelude to the two terms, was thus the sign of the time of stoppage, of which Fr. Guérard was immediately conscious. The role assumed by Fr. Guérard in the 1950s makes us understand why Pius XII was going to propose the Cardinalate to him, but well-informed sources tell us that De Gaulle vetoed it.

In 1961, Mgr. Piolanti invited Fr. Louis-Bertrand (Guerard's Dominican name) to come to Rome to teach in the University of the Lateran, and so for ten years he had to be away for months from Etiolles to work in Rome, staying in the Angelicuм, where he met again his beloved Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange, until Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange’s illness. (Before he was a seminarian, Guerard used to visit Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange weekly).

The Ottaviani Intervention
Meanwhile, things are quickly unfolding: liturgical reform is in full swing; even the Holy Mass is thrown into turmoil. Mgr. Guérard relates: “Rome, Holy Thursday, the 3rd of April, 1969. The so-called “Novus Ordo Missae” appeared. There were two choirs, that of Satan, and that of Jesus: joy, dismay. I belonged, by God’s grace, to the second. But I had to act. A Roman lady of the haute bourgeoisie, Vittoria Cristina Guerrini, and her friend Emilia Pediconi (both later deceased), knew the workings of the Vatican very well, especially of Cardinal Ottaviani. The latter let himself be convinced. And so it was that the Cardinals’ approach was decided, an approach whose honour should be given to the one who conceived the project, bore the burden and died of that agony. It was necessary to prepare the docuмent, whose revision had been reserved for Cardinal Ottaviani, and was promised to be sent to the ‘pope’. The two Romans, especially V.C. Huerrini, were in contact with many clerics. Some, perhaps five or six, responded to the call, but they did not contribute much more than a passive contribution at some weekly meetings. However, the group owed much to an extremely distinguished liturgist, the brave author and critical articles that he published at that time in Roman periodicals; I lament that I forget his name. Mgr. Marcel Lefebvre encouraged us, at a distance, and even filled us with hope: ‘We will get the signature of 600 bishops!’ Unfortunately, he did not even put his own.”

Fr. Guérard thus wrote the Short Critical Study of the Novus Ordo Missæ during April and May of 1969, especially at night, since this unforeseen task was added to already quite full days. Because of the preparation of the Short Critical Study, there was a Mass at the tomb of St. Pius V in Rome, on his feast day, the 5th of May, celebrated by Mgr. Lefebvre, who – to the amazement of the attendees – adopted the mutilations of Paul VI (quite grave mutilations, although it was still not the New Mass). When, on the way out, he was asked, with respect and sadness at once, the reason for his actions, he responded: “If they saw Mgr. Lefebvre celebrating the traditional Mass, this could cause scandal.” Fr. Guérard later commented: “Even if Mgr. Lefebvre did not celebrate the New Mass, he still, however, committed or omitted exteriorly such gestures that led one to think of it, something which I had not been the only one to observe…

Mgr. Lefebvre had two personalities on the 5th of May, 1969. Whilst he was considered the soul of a small group of ‘friends’ that worked day and night to save the Mass from the ‘mass’, and whilst he showed this group encouragement and sympathy, Mgr. Lefebvre hit this group with the public disapproval of unconditional loyalty to the ‘authority’ that had to be faced”. The writing of the Short Study cost Fr. Guérard his professorship at the Lateran, which he lost in June of 1970, “together with the rector, Mgr. Piolanti, and some fifteen professors, all judged undesirable.”

SoldierofCtK · « **Reply #457 on:** June 18, 2026, 06:33:43 PM »

Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on June 18, 2026, 01:32:19 PM

You're being welcome doesn't make you right.

This forum has always supported Bishop Williamson unashamedly. If Matthew wants to retract his support for Bishop Z and the resistance Bishops, he is free to do that. One post is all I need.

You need to focus; you're new here and won't be dictating what CathInfo stands for or allows to be discussed. We all know Matthew's stance on the Crisis, but if you want an echo chamber go join TheCatacombs or Reddit.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #458 on:** June 18, 2026, 07:58:11 PM »

Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on June 18, 2026, 01:31:03 PM

Thuc said the novus ordo and repented of his traditionalism. The photos have been posted here many times.

So, the slanders continue. There's no evidence that he "repented" of Traditional Catholicism. At the end, he had been kidnapped by the Vietnamese Communist mob, and you can see in the picture of him at the very end that he appears to be in shock, not unlike how Cardinal Mindszenty appeared in a daze after his torture. We have absolutely no idea what happened to him after they took him into custody.

Prior to that, he did partially concelebrate the Novus Ordo Mass one time out of obedience to his bishop, and was apologetic of having done so when criticzed later for it.

But lack of actual evidence has never stopped you from hurling slander and calumny.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #459 on:** June 18, 2026, 08:04:32 PM »

Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on June 15, 2026, 03:37:06 PM

You missed my posts where I said I literally pay no attention to that. I have told Matthew directly that the voting system is a stupid idea.

And Matthew has repeatedly explained that if you have a very large ration of dislikes to likes, there's likely something wrong with you and you generally don't fit in among Traditional Catholics. Your pathetic "approval rating", or, rather, disapproval rating, provides additional confirmation of htat.

You remind me of the Jews who had been kicked out of 1,000 countries without stopping to think that maybe, just maybe, THEY were doing something to bring that treatment down upon their own heads.

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