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Offline icarlytradcath

Re: A feminist is...
« Reply #75 on: August 17, 2026, 12:58:08 PM »
Quote from: Gray2023 on August 17, 2026, 12:44:30 PM
I am not sure how you are coming up with these scenarios for women.  I think you are just projecting how you think things happen.  Intuition is an internal process that is hard to put into words. 

Lets try something have you ever felt something you couldn't name? Or explain in words?
That may be the case, I have no primary experience being a mom and navigating groups of moms, but I don't think that's a far fetched situation, you've never had an analogous situation, a woman overstepping and policing you in the name of her intuition and empathy?


Yes I've felt stuff I couldn't name.
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Offline icarlytradcath

Re: A feminist is...
« Reply #76 on: August 17, 2026, 01:33:08 PM »
Quote from: Gray2023 on August 17, 2026, 11:33:37 AM
This statement is funny to me.  You really don't understand that women care about these things.

Aren't you projecting here?

You're right, I was projecting, I assumed most adult women weren't like middle schoolers highly distressed for having to wear odd clothes from the lost and found because theirs got soaked :cowboy:

(I actually still assume it, I know the women in my life and there's many women that wouldn't care all that much)
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Offline Gray2023

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Re: A feminist is...
« Reply #77 on: August 17, 2026, 02:22:08 PM »
Quote from: icarlytradcath on August 17, 2026, 01:33:08 PM
You're right, I was projecting, I assumed most adult women weren't like middle schoolers highly distressed for having to wear odd clothes from the lost and found because theirs got soaked :cowboy:

(I actually still assume it, I know the women in my life and there's many women that wouldn't care all that much)
I noticed embarrassment in the two women.  And I was correct.  
It had nothing to do with not being stylish.  Their main concern was it was obvious they forgot their own veil.  I have since remedied the situation and the garish things have been removed and veils have been put in their place.

I think this conversation has served its purpose.  Empathy and intuition are feelings that happen in the moment that is regulated by prudence.  It is not something  that can be intellectually taught it has to be felt.

I object to your musings that men have better empathy.  I do think that the cattyness of women is a defect of empathy,  but I am not sure you hold the same opinion.
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Offline Gray2023

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Re: A feminist is...
« Reply #78 on: August 17, 2026, 02:39:47 PM »
Quote from: icarlytradcath on August 17, 2026, 12:58:08 PM
That may be the case, I have no primary experience being a mom and navigating groups of moms, but I don't think that's a far fetched situation, you've never had an analogous situation, a woman overstepping and policing you in the name of her intuition and empathy?


Yes I've felt stuff I couldn't name.
I think it boils down to the following:

Men have the natural disposition to establish a hierarchy. Some call this status.

Women have the natural disposition to nurture and support.

Women who want status are not the norm.

Men who nurture are not the norm.

There are always exceptions.


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Offline icarlytradcath

Re: A feminist is...
« Reply #79 on: August 17, 2026, 04:22:14 PM »
Quote from: Gray2023 on August 17, 2026, 02:22:08 PM
I noticed embarrassment in the two women.  And I was correct. 
It had nothing to do with not being stylish.  Their main concern was it was obvious they forgot their own veil.  I have since remedied the situation and the garish things have been removed and veils have been put in their place.

I think this conversation has served its purpose.  Empathy and intuition are feelings that happen in the moment that is regulated by prudence.  It is not something  that can be intellectually taught it has to be felt.

I object to your musings that men have better empathy.  I do think that the cattyness of women is a defect of empathy,  but I am not sure you hold the same opinion.

Yeah, that's what I assumed, if a person is not 11 and is still deeply embarrassed for wearing a borrowed X that stands out because they forgot theirs that's just extremely poor maturity I'm sorry.

I do think even though we disagree it was a good conversation, forums are a bit odd because while it's theoretically 1-on-1 it's like you're performing a philosophical dialogue for an audience. The usual definition in every famous dictionary for empathy says it's not just a feeling that happens in the moment. Writing a good short story from the voice and perspective of another is an exercise in empathy.

You object to my musings LOL, I'll have to start saying that to people I disagree with.

I agree with that, catiness comes from a lack of empathy and simultaneously from an excess of projection.
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