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« Reply #30 on: August 23, 2011, 06:10:32 PM »
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    So why would Benedict try to restore some traditions, is it an attempt to try to hide the destruction of the Church? Just a lipstick on a pig sort of thing?


    Exactly this.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    « Reply #31 on: November 12, 2011, 10:42:03 AM »
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    'Take care not to resemble the multitude whose knowledge of God's will only condemns them to more severe punishment.'

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    « Reply #32 on: May 17, 2012, 11:02:43 AM »
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  • Bump for relevance.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #33 on: December 14, 2012, 03:17:09 PM »
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  • I'm bumping this for relevance again. The reason I am, is because there are many things in these letters occurring in the Society of Saint Pius X right now. It's happening right underneath our noses. Please, encourage people to read/translate it for themselves. You can find the original Italian at www.chiesaviva.com
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #34 on: December 14, 2012, 11:33:49 PM »
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  • Quote from: parentsfortruth
    I'm bumping this for relevance again. The reason I am, is because there are many things in these letters occurring in the Society of Saint Pius X right now. It's happening right underneath our noses. Please, encourage people to read/translate it for themselves. You can find the original Italian at www.chiesaviva.com


    Thank you for the bump.  I hadn't seen this.  

    Can you also file this in the library so it won't get lost?  Thank you.



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    « Reply #35 on: December 15, 2012, 02:51:21 AM »
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    The thing that always stands out to me is how they speak of God and supernatural matters as if they know that the Catholic religion is true. As if they consciously rebel against our Lord.  This is the mysterium iniquitatis. I shudder at the fate of those who deliberately strive against the Divinity.


    Freemasons worship lucifer.


    I am aware of that.  Knowing this exposes the lies of modern philosophy and psycho-analysis which say that people do not ever really want or choose to do evil deliberately, as if it is impossible to be ill intentioned.



    I think you have touched on something here, Exilenomore, that is easily
    overlooked.  This error you highlight is used by other venues to promote
    the overall agenda of Modernism, which is in reality a direct assault against
    the Truth of Our Lord Jesus Christ.  

    But the enemy, the adversary, is very slick.  He obscures his methods and
    his ways, so as if to deceive if it were possible, even the elect.  "Behold I
    have told it to you, beforehand"  (Matt. xxiv. 25).  

    For modern philosophy, in its cooperation with the dragon of hell, has
    given the sciences and sociologists the tools they need to deceive the
    masses of people who are dazed and confused, and "searching for meaning,"
    as JPII said in one of his phony 'consecrations' that had the purpose, the
    unholy intention, of NOT complying with Our Lady's simple request.  

    There was a shooting this morning in Connecticut, and how many people
    are going around saying that this boy could not have intended to do evil?  
    In this way, they take the blame away from the perpetrator, and put it on
    the guns.  The guns therefore become the evil, in their minds, and to them,
    since their subjective reality is all that matters, no one is capable of truly
    evilness, and therefore the evil must be in the hardware.  

    Therefore the hardware must be made illegal.   Simple.  

    And that's how Communism spreads, the "errors of Russia" advance in
    the world, and the Church is brought low.  

    Why is it there are not mass shootings like this in Texas, where people
    are free to carry concealed weapons, or wear them as sidearms in
    public?  Why not Georgia, or Louisiana or Oaklahoma or Mississippi?  
    Why Connecticut?  I have a friend from Texas, and he explains it very
    simply.  They don't try this in Texas because they know they'd be dead
    in two seconds.   End of story.  

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    Knowing this (that Freemasons worship lucifer) exposes the lies of modern philosophy and psycho-analysis which say that people do not ever really want or choose to do evil deliberately, as if it is impossible to be ill-intentioned.


    How many times have you heard a pop-psychologist chime the mantra that
    everyone is basically good, and that it is a positive attribute (as if it were a
    virtue!)  to believe in the fundamental goodness of man?  

    This is a contradiction of Catholic doctrine, that we are all tainted by
    original sin, and we have a fundamental proclivity toward error, heresy,
    sin and badness.   Not goodness.   Only by  A)  Baptism and  B)  the
    sacraments offered by Holy Mother Church, are we able to rise above the
    evils of our inclinations and do anything truly good.  

    If we were under the Social Kingship of Jesus Christ, King, there would be
    no mass shootings.  

    I heard a stupid radio talking head, a "spokeshole" (his favorite term which
    he never applies to himself!), ask why these shootings were never heard
    of 100 years ago.   "They had guns then.  Why no rampant, mass
    murdering shootings?"  

    Good question..   COULD IT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH RAMPANT
    LIBERALISM TODAY??  The language these clowns used against the news
    today could equally apply to the murder of innocent children by abortion.  
    Where is the outrage against abortion?  How long does it take for 28
    babies to be killed by planned execution with abortion?  A few hours?  
    Every day, every week, every month, every year?  Where is the outrage???

    I heard Bishop Williamson in person, just after the Columbine massacre,
    give a sermon on this topic.  At the time, he said, just wait until the girls
    start to do these things.  It will be even worse.   That was April 20th, 1999,
    in Littleton, Colorado, over 13 years ago.

    Does anyone remember the mother who pushed her car into the lake
    with her own children strapped into the car seats?  Or the mother who
    drowned her own children in the family bathtub?  

    Because when the girls do it, you have no question but that there is a
    most evil intent afoot.  No question.  



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    « Reply #36 on: December 15, 2012, 03:30:43 AM »
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  • I appreciate you posting this, parentsfortruth.  

    Why do you not offer a bit of background on Fr. Luigi Villa?  

    I read one story that explains how he had met Padre Pio, who had told
    him when he was very young, that he should go back to school and earn
    his degree in sacred theology, because then he would be able to live out
    the plan that God had for him, to fight for Holy Mother Church in the
    great battle that would soon rise to a high degree of power and influence.
    So Fr. Villa did so, earned his degree, and then started to write books.

    His book exposing the depravity of Pope Paul VI stopped the process
    cold, which was moving toward his beatification.  Then he wrote
    another book about JPII, but it was delayed in publication and did not
    get out quite in time to stop his beatification.  

    Now, Paul VI is once again moving forward, even though this most
    devastating documentary is available for all the world to see, as if this  
    were a fulfillment of Scripture:  "And it was given unto him to make war
    with the saints and to overcome them" (Apoc. xiii. 7).

    "If any man have an ear, let him hear" (Apoc. xiii. 9).



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    I appreciate your zeal in this matter, but this document was translated from Italian into English by me with the help of a few translation programs.

    I linked the original work in the beginning of this thread, but I'll link it here again for expediency.

    http://www.chiesaviva.com/la%20massoneria.pdf

    It's in Italian, and I encourage you to translate it, or take it to someone who knows Italian themselves. You might even want to contact Father Villa's office directly. Here is his contact information.

    http://www.chiesaviva.com/contatti.htm

    I don't think the Chiesa Viva on the website is even the entire one. I think if you write to them, you can order one and get the whole thing in its entirety. I wish I could do that myself, but I wouldn't have the time to sit here and type instead of copy/paste into a translation program.

    Some novus ordo catholics I've shown this to, have tried to suggest that Father Villa isn't even a real person, or confuse him with another Father Villa that heads some kind of order. I don't even remember which one. They don't want to believe this, so I wish you luck in trying to convince them of the [veracity] of what's been compiled here.



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    Were they from a collection of documents or one single document?


    If you read, they are all different ones. Some dated back to 1947. Others dated 1962, 1993, et cetera.


    Ok, so those first 33 points originally from the same 1962 document? Where did Chiesa find the documents? I want to point them out to NO Catholics.




    It seems to me anyone would have a lot more luck if there were more
    information about Fr. Luigi Villa.  There are a number of excellent priests
    alive today who knew him personally, so they could be an excellent
    reference.  

    In the meantime, here is an excellent web page for those interested:


    (click on image: active link)


    Padre Pio and Chiesa viva  

    Padre Pio & Fr. Villa


    Almost sixty years ago, “Padre Pio first met Father Luigi Villa, whom he entreated to devote his entire life to fight Ecclesiastical Freemasonry. Padre Pio told Father Villa that Our Lord had designs upon him and had chosen him to be educated and trained to fight Freemasonry within the Church. The Saint spelled out this task in three meetings with Father Villa, which took place in the last fifteen years of life of Padre Pio. At the close of the second meeting [second half of 1963], Padre Pio embraced Father Villa three times, saying to him: ‘Be brave, now…for the Church has already been invaded by Freemasonry!’ and then stated: ‘Freemasonry has already made it into the loafers (shoes) of the Pope!’ At the time, the reigning Pope was Paul VI.


    “The mission entrusted to Father Luigi Villa by Padre Pio to fight Freemasonry within the Catholic Church was approved by Pope Pius XII who gave a Papal Mandate for his work. Pope Pius XII’s Secretary of State, Cardinal Tardini, gave Father Villa three Cardinals to work with and to act as his own personal ‘guardian angels’:   Cardinal Ottaviani, Cardinal Parente and Cardinal Palazzini. Father Villa worked with these three cardinals until their deaths.”





    In order to fight this battle, in 1971 Fr. Villa founded his magazine, “Chiesa viva” with correspondents and collaborators in every continent.  It was immediately attacked by the upper echelon of the Catholic Church: the magazine was ostracized among the clergy and its collaborators were gradually forced to leave.  Then they isolated its Director and his few remaining collaborators.  The efforts to silence “Chiesa viva” once and for all also included seven assassination attempts on Fr. Villa!”  




    Read the entire web page -- there is a lot more there!  
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    « Reply #37 on: December 15, 2012, 10:34:24 AM »
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  • Someone translated into English the Chiesa Viva on Paul VI. I have a copy. It's excellent and has many interesting photos.

    BTW, I think Fr. Villa died the same day as Fr. Martin Stepanich, which would have been very appropriate.


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    « Reply #38 on: December 15, 2012, 06:34:24 PM »
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    Bumping again!


    Sorry - new here. What does "bumping" mean?


    That means to give the newer people a chance to respond.

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    « Reply #39 on: December 15, 2012, 08:24:59 PM »
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  • This bears repeating:

    http://padrepioandchiesaviva.com/uploads/Chi___don_Villa_OK_en.pdf

    Who is Father Luigi Villa? by Dr. Franco Adessa

    At the request of many people from Italy and abroad, and after more than twenty years of collaboration with this courageous Priest, I decided to write this short biography of Father Luigi Villa,because I can no longer be silent about the indescribable and unending persecution suffered by this old, faithful and incorruptible Minister of God!
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     A MUST READ!!

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    « Reply #40 on: December 17, 2012, 12:44:43 PM »
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    This bears repeating:

    http://padrepioandchiesaviva.com/uploads/Chi___don_Villa_OK_en.pdf

    Who is Father Luigi Villa? by Dr. Franco Adessa

    At the request of many people from Italy and abroad, and after more than twenty years of collaboration with this courageous Priest, I decided to write this short biography of Father Luigi Villa,because I can no longer be silent about the indescribable and unending persecution suffered by this old, faithful and incorruptible Minister of God!
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     A MUST READ!!


    If one goes to Chiesaviva.com, they can read a lot of things, including the biography of Father Villa. I encourage people to do this, as there were at least 6 attempts on his life while his mission given to him by Padre Pio was being executed.

    Bumping means, pushing an old thread that is relevant to discussions on a board, to the top, so that fresh discussion can take place on topics related to the old material.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,


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    « Reply #41 on: December 17, 2012, 06:31:53 PM »
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    The reason I didn't put this in the library section, is because I wanted people to be able to comment on it. This is some absolutely dynamite information, and I couldn't help sharing what I read.


    Thank you parents for truth.

    I am currently in a conversation with a NO friend who believes  freemasonry is active in society, my friend is always pointing out freemasonry or satanic symbols etc. But refuses to believe JJPII or B16 or the Church has anything to do with this.

    My friend does however believe that there are a lot of wrongs committed in the NO Church and has made many changes to avoid for example Clown Masses, etc.

     My friend has Holy Statues, relics, medals, pictures ect. and is very prayerful,loves the saints.

    The other day my friend said that in the Catholic Catechism it states that there WILL BE a Revolution in the Church in the end days. I told my friend that there IS  is a revolution in the Church right now - V2.

    My friend adamantly disagreed.

    This helps me a lot, thank you

    the smart sheep


    I'm going to post this video here to show how utterly and totally evil and satanic masonry is and how it's connected to the international banking houses who fund it. The people who got Trotsky his passport and get him out of "jams" are nothing more than Rothschild agents. Also read Red Symphony.



    Sorry not in English. Subtitles.

    Here is the "Red Symphony"
    http://henrymakow.com/000275.html

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    « Reply #42 on: January 02, 2013, 03:42:37 PM »
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    Yesterday, I decided that since the Chiesa Viva put out in 2008, regarding the plot against the Church regarding Freemasonry, was worth my time to read. I bothered to go on Google Translate, and, paragraph by paragraph, I translated it. I wanted to share with you the 33 points in which the Mason bishops were directed to destroy things, little by little, and their attempts to quell dissenters, and marginalize them by painting the people that disagree with them as "disobedient."

    This is the translation from Italian to English. If you would like to google translate it yourself, here's the source:

    http://www.chiesaviva.com/la%20massoneria.pdf

    A "plan Masonic" for the destruction of the Catholic Church

    Directives of the Grand Master of Freemasonry to the Bishops Masons:
    effective from 1962 (update of Vatican II) reworked in 1993 as a progressive plan for the final stage.

    All Masons employed in the Catholic Church should accept them and implement them.

    .............

    11. Discontinue the practice of celebrating Mass, direction, or, at least, the presence of the Blessed Sacrament in the tabernacle. Do not admit any tabernacle on the altar that are used for the celebration of mass. The board should have the look of a kitchen table. It must be transportable to express that it is not sacred, but must serve more than one purpose, for example, conference or play cards. Further on, place at least one seat (by) this table. The priest must take place to indicate that, after Communion, he rest as after a meal. The priest must not ever do genuflections, kneeling, or standing. At meals, in fact, there never (is) kneel(ing). The chair of the priest should be (in the) place (of the) tabernacle. Encourage people to have the feelings of veneration and worship towards the priest that should (be) had towards the Eucharist, this would be "good thing" obey like Jesus in person. Place the Tabernacle in another room, out of sight.

    . . . . .



    Wow!  This is exactly how the NO church I grew up attending was set up--large priest chair and 2 altarboy chairs elevated and behind the altar.  Tabernacle was off to the side, seemingly insignificant.  And I remember at a very early age being confused and thinking the priest must be God.

    I have not heard anybody else mention being confused as a child about this before.  Is there anybody else out there who attended NO "masses" as a child who can relate?  The priest is clearly the focus point in NO masses.

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    « Reply #43 on: January 17, 2013, 02:31:39 PM »
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    Knowing this exposes the lies of modern philosophy and psycho-analysis which say that people do not ever really want or choose to do evil deliberately, as if it is impossible to be ill intentioned.
    Yes, "modern philosophy and psycho-analysis" doesn't express it properly. The Thomistic teaching is that people choose evil under the aspect of good.
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    « Reply #44 on: January 17, 2013, 02:43:47 PM »
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    This stuff here is from their (the Freemasons) own documents, obtained by Chiesa Viva.
    It appears to be taken from the Permanent Instruction of the (Italian) Alta Vendita (High Lodge) by "Piccolo Tigre" ("The Little Tiger"), an Italian Freemason. Pope Leo XIII verified the Permanent Instruction's authenticity, and Msgr. Dillon, whose book Grand Orient Freemasonry Unmasked (a.k.a. War of Anti-Christ with the Church and Christian Civilization) Pope Leo XIII urged every Catholic to read, has a chapter with the full Permanent Instruction, as well as another letter by "Piccolo Tigre" on how Freemasons can make converts, rip men away from their wives and families, and even convert priests to Freemasonic thinking. Both the Permanent Instruction and Piccolo Tigre's letter (chapters 14 and 15 of Msgr. Dillon's book, respectively) are the best primary sources for understanding the goals and aims of Freemasonry: the infiltration* and corruption of Holy Church.

    (*not destruction, because, interestingly, Masons have come to realize this is impossible; perhaps this is a sign of their conversion, Deo volente.)
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