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Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: parentsfortruth on May 13, 2011, 02:58:06 PM
Yesterday, I decided that since the Chiesa Viva put out in 2008, regarding the plot against the Church regarding Freemasonry, was worth my time to read. I bothered to go on Google Translate, and, paragraph by paragraph, I translated it. I wanted to share with you the 33 points in which the Mason bishops were directed to destroy things, little by little, and their attempts to quell dissenters, and marginalize them by painting the people that disagree with them as "disobedient."

This is the translation from Italian to English. If you would like to google translate it yourself, here's the source:

http://www.chiesaviva.com/la%20massoneria.pdf

A "plan Masonic" for the destruction of the Catholic Church

Directives of the Grand Master of Freemasonry to the Bishops Masons:
effective from 1962 (update of Vatican II) reworked in 1993 as a progressive plan for the final stage.

All Masons employed in the Catholic Church should accept them and implement them.

1. Permanently remove any statue from the church, beginning with those of St. Michael the Archangel, patron the Catholic Church, saying that (they) distract (from the) adoration of Christ.

2. Remove the exercises penitential season of Lent, such as abstinence from meat on Fridays and also fasting. Prevent any act of self-denial. In their place, they must
be supported acts of joy, happiness and "love of neighbor. "You say that Christ has earned for us all, therefore, all human endeavor is dangerous, and could even
seem to be a lack of trust in God. Tell everyone that must take seriously the concerns for their health. Encourage the consumption of meat, especially pork.


3. Protestant pastors are responsible to review the Mass and desecrate. Sown doubts about the Real Presence Eucharist and confirmed that, with closer
the Protestant view, it is only bread and wine blessed, and as such, understood as a mere symbol. Scattered among the most angry Protestants liberal progressisti
seminaries and schools. Encouraged ecumenism as a path toward unity. Accused of disobedience those who continue to believe, traditionally, the Real Presence.

4. Prohibit, and make him believe it is right to abandon, the classic Latin liturgy "fever" (the so-called ritual “Tridentino”), with all its train of adoration and songs, since (it) communicate(s) a sense of mystery and deference. Present (the tridentine liturgy) as (coming from the) spells of wizards, and fortune tellers. The men will stop listening (to) the intelligence of priests and people (of) superior culture, to respect because bearers of the divine mysteries.  

5. Encouraged women not to cover their heads with scarves; church, the hair is "sexy. " Insist on women as readers, and presented as a democratic necessity
they become priestesses, based (on) movements for women's liberation. Push to let the church with shabby clothes, to feel at home. This diminish(es) the importance of the mass.

6. Distract the faithful from taking Communion in the knee. Tell that to the Sisters should prohibit children to hold hands together before and after Communion
telling them that Jesus loves them as they are, and wants them see more at ease. Eliminate genuflections in church and kneeling. Remove the kneelers. Tell the people who must bear witness to their faith being at ease or, at most, in a
erected (stance).

7. Eliminate sacred music, especially the organ. Introduce guitars, Jewish harps, drums, walking and "holy" laughter in church. This will distract the people('s) personal prayer and conversations with Jesus. You deny Jesus the time to call the children in the religious life. Run around the Altar, liturgical dance dressed as exciting, theaters and concerts.

8. Remove the sacred character of the songs to the Mother of God and (of) San Joseph, indicating their veneration as idolatry. Make ridiculous those who persist. Introduce modern Protestant hymns. This will give the impression that the progressive and liberal Protestantism is the true religion, or at least that is equal to Catholicism.


9. Eliminate all the hymns to Jesus, even those they think the serenity that comes from life of mortification and penance to God, already in childhood. Insert new  songs, only convince people that the previous were false. Make sure that at every Mass there is at least a song in which Jesus is not mentioned and instead speak only of love between men. The youth will be excited to hear about love of neighbor. Predicate love, tolerance and unity. Do not mention Jesus, prohibited any announcement of the Eucharist.

10. Returning to what is stated in paragraph 1, do not just remove the statues from the churches. Remove all the relics altars, and later, the altars themselves. Replace with pagan boards, no dedication, which can be used for human sacrifice during Satanic ceremonies. Eliminate the canonical laws which force to celebrate only on the altar containing relics.

11. Discontinue the practice of celebrating Mass, direction, or, at least, the presence of the Blessed Sacrament in the tabernacle. Do not admit any tabernacle on the altar that are used for the celebration of mass. The board should have the look of a kitchen table. It must be transportable to express that it is not sacred, but must serve more than one purpose, for example, conference or play cards. Further on, place at least one seat (by) this table. The priest must take place to indicate that, after Communion, he rest as after a meal. The priest must not ever do genuflections, kneeling, or standing. At meals, in fact, there never (is) kneel(ing). The chair of the priest should be (in the) place (of the) tabernacle. Encourage people to have the feelings of veneration and worship towards the priest that should (be) had towards the Eucharist, this would be "good thing" obey like Jesus in person. Place the Tabernacle in another room, out of sight.

12. Disappear the Saints from the calendar. Prohibited priests preach (about) the Saints, except those mentioned in the Bible. Say that this is (for improved) relation(s) (between) any Protestant(s) in church. Avoid anything that disturbs the Protestants.

13. In the Gospel reading omit the word "Holy. " For example: instead of "Gospel according to St. John" only say "Gospel According to John. " You make (them) think they ought not to worship more. Write continuously new translations of the Bible until they are worse than those used by Protestants. Omit the adjective "Holy" in the expression "Holy Spirit". This will pave the road. Highlight the nature of "feminine" of God as a mother full of tenderness. Eliminate the use of the term "Father. "

14. Disappear all the books of devotion and personal piety and shred them. As a result come to an end also the Litany of the Sacred Heart, those of Madonna,
those of St. Joseph and the preparation for communion, as well as after Thanksgiving.

15. Make the images of angels disappear. Why to hold between the feet the depictions of our enemies?  Define them as myths or stories for a good night.

16. REPEALED (the authority of) The Exorcist to eject MINOR demons. Engage in this, even stating that the Devils do not exist, explain that it is only a literary device to define evil, because, without an opponent, the stories are not interesting. Consequently, people stop believing in hell, or deem that they, themselves, will never fall. Moreover, repeating them is more of the distance from God, believing that if there is a species of life on earth like that.

17. Teach that Jesus was a man who had brothers and sisters and that he hated the powerful. Explain that (He) loved the company of prostitutes and that she knew that to do with churches or synagogues. You say that he had, in this blundering, invited to disobey the clergy.  Define Him often a "Grand Master". Discourage the death on (the) cross as a victory, presenting it instead as a failure.

18. Remember that you can lead the Sisters to the betrayal of their vocation, if you turn to their vanity, charm and beauty. When they do change the dress, and this will lead naturally to throw away the rosary. Reveal to (the) world (that) in their convents there are disagreements and conflicts. This will discredit their vocations. You say they will not be accepted if they do not give up the habit. Favor the disrepute of the ecclesiastical garments between the people.

19. Burn all the catechisms. Tell the teachers of religion to teach that the best way to love God is to love him in his creatures. The love is openly witness of maturity. Let the term "sex" to become words and current daily use in classes and courses in religion. Make sex a new religion. Introduce in religion classes of images of sex, raw and explicit purpose of teaching children the reality. Encourage schools to become the think tanks on sex education. Put this subject using of episcopal authority, so that parents will not have anything against those few who complain and pass for eccentric and / or rebellious.

20. Stifle the Catholic schools, preventing (the)vocations (of) Sisters. Revealed to the sisters who are working (that they are) paid under the social (system) and that the Church is in the process of eliminating them. Insist that the lay teachers in Catholic schools receive the same salary as those in schools public. Threaten if they do not hire non-Catholic teachers that they are guilty of public deadly sin. The priests are to receive the same salary as employees of the corresponding trees. All the priests are to lay their clerical dress, so can be accepted by all. Make all those ridiculous that do not conform.

21. Crush the papacy destroying its universities. Unplug it from the Vatican, saying that in this way You may receive the government benefits. Replace religious names institutions with profane names, just to promote ecumenism.
For example, instead of school "Immaculate Conception" say "Scuola Superiore New." Established departments of ecumenism in every diocese, and make sure that are controlled by Protestants. Announce that the bishops are the competent authority. Explain to people that the papal teachings are only topics of conversation, what matters is the teaching (of the) Episcopal conference.

22. Fight papal authority, setting age limits (of its) exercise. Reduce little by little, explaining that is to make sure the pope is not overworked.

23. Be bold. Weakened the papacy, always reinforcing most of the Episcopal Conferences and Synods of introducing permanent. Have the reference model
British situation, where the monarch reigns but does not govern, and also obeys the rooms. Later on, reproduce the same situation to level of diocese and of parish. In this way, one will originate a such confusion and one such hatred that will quite abandon the church of the cardinals and the church, then, will be democratic. It will rise it "New Church"!

24. Reduce vocations to the priesthood. Dismiss the laity any reverence for it. The public scandal a priest destroy innumerable vocations. Praise publicly priests who, for the love of a woman, have been able to leave everything, calling them heroes. Honor defrocked priests, as true martyrs oppressed. Condemned as a scandal that our brothers Masons in the priesthood should be disclosed and their names published. Be tolerant of homosexuality the clergy. Say (that) the priests suffer from loneliness.

25. Begin to close the churches, because of the scarcity of clergy. Praised this practice as economic. Explain that God hears the prayers anywhere. The people deem the asked extravagant waste of money. Close, before all, those in which it is put into practice traditional pity and compassion.  

26. Use committees of lay people and priests are weak in faith to condemn each and every appearance of Mary apparent miracle. Make use of our brothers, skilled in the occult arts or fraud, false miracles to organize. Indicate all the visionaries, true and false, as disobedient against ecclesiastical authority.

27. Elect an antipope. You say that he join (together) the church(s) (of) Protestants and Jews. An anti-pope will be elected if it were given the right to vote to the bishops. Then, we will elect many antipope(s). Eventually it will be an established as a compromise.

28. Remove the confession before Communion, for the second and third year students. So, growing up, if not it will affect most. Then disappear Confession. Introduce with silent confession, Community absolution in the group. Explain that this happens because the shortage of clergy.

29. Allow women to distribute Communion to the laity. Start to give communion in Protestant hand use. Explain that Christ did in the same way. Pick up hosts for the "black masses"in our temples. Instead of personal communion, delivered
cups of non-consecrated communion wafers at home. You place vending machines of hosts for the communities. Do people move to the church to exchange signs of peace and do not do signs of the cross.

30. After the antipope has been established, dissolve the episcopal assemblies, diocesan and parochial. You forbid to all discussion of it (regarding these) dispositions. Accused disobedience of those who ask questions.

31. Antipope conferred the greatest power to choose their successors. Order to all, under pain of excommunication, and as soon as possible, referral to "secular arm" to take the "mark of the Beast. " But, of course, do not call it that. The sign of Cross should not be done either on persons, or through them. It should not be blessed anymore. Making the sign of the cross must be considered (a) heinous act of idolatry and disobedience.

32. Declared that all dogma, but papal infallibility, opinions are free. Proclaim that Jesus Christ was essentially a failed revolutionary. Announced that the Christ will soon come true, and that so far only the anti-pope must be obeyed.

33. Ordered all the subjects of the pope to fight in holy war against all forms of fundamentalism (read: especially TRADITIONALISM!) and to extend the only world religion. Pitilessly gain the world. All this will bring to humanity as it has always been coveted "golden age of peace. "


(More to come, this was just a portion of it.)
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: parentsfortruth on May 13, 2011, 03:05:56 PM
Masonic plan of 1947

Practical means

Three stages will be spread over several years.

PHASE I
Suppression of the statues of saints in churches and chapels; then, little by little, those of the Virgin and St. Heart with pretext that they are "outdated. " Suppression of the altar, if possible, be replaced with other temporary or dubbed in front of the
people. Even a table would suffice. Suppress cassock apparel for all priests. Suppression of Latin in liturgy, with the pretext to nationalize and improve understanding of the people, in fact, to break with the idea of universality of the Church.

PHASE II
Once you have these reforms, we must by all means do adopt the use of Catholic Churches communion in the hand. You will get there, then, to give the "Bread" in the hand, insensibly to success in eradicating the faith and piety and prepare the final stage.

PHASE III
Thus prepared, the faithful will accept the idea that the Eucharist is only the symbol of ancient Jewish meal. And finally when the faithful have accepted the reasons and methods, floor plan and imperceptibly, have them put away from the true Faith, the sincere devotion, compassion and a genuine, you will need that Bishops and Priests, "aware", you launch the attack seed of faith with false openings post-conciliar, proclaiming that the symbol of ancient Jewish meal becomes in time, the universal symbol of philanthropy, and not the body of Christ, the Church leaves to believe.

(More to come!)
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: parentsfortruth on May 13, 2011, 03:48:42 PM
Extracts

The "Masonic plan" of destruction of the Roman Catholic Church  

(according to authentic documents of the revolutionary conspiracy ).

1° PURPOSE

A revolution that must arrive at the triumph of a principle subversive of all social order. It is therefore not a problem purely political, it is also a religious problem, indeed it is the great religious problem of our century. It is therefore the uprising was erected in principle and in law, whether essentially social and not individual.

There will be three grades:


a) The destruction of the Roman Catholic Church, as authorities and religious society. (See the three stages of this destruction and the means).

b) The destruction of society, namely, the suppression of family rights and property for the benefit of State.


c) Protestantism.

This revolution must be the denial of the legal realm of Jesus Christ on earth, the destruction of the Church's social which insists on proclaiming the rights of God, as a principle protection of human morality and the salvation of society.
It is not possible on one condition: THE REVERSE Of the papacy, however, as weak temporal power, The Pope still has an immense moral force.

You therefore need to converge on Rome that all the efforts of friends of humanity. To destroy the Church, all means are good: violence, cunning, fire and iron, poison and the dagger, because the end sanctifies the means. In order tom pervert the Christians in order to get rid of the sense Catholic, you should use of education: false; teaching of history falsified; printing that covers us with his cloak of politics, religion same as no surprise to seduce us; of science to find us the means to rebel against God, to get the arts the loss of customs policy and the deification of pleasure.

The plan of attack, general and organized, has the principal aim of systematically to corrupt. This corruption, through the weapons of slander and falsehood, must mainly apply to young people and clergy, the latter will be vulnerable when we are able to affiliate the Franco-Masonry the Bishops and all holders power, pointing out that Protestantism is an auxiliary precious ... Our plan is universal ... the revolution wants to hit, first all Europe as a whole, all the religious hierarchy and politics ... We form an association of brothers in all points of the globe. We have promises and interests common.

We tend to liberate all humanity in the predicament of so many games.
The association is secret. The success of our work depends on the deeper mystery
and we must find the "beginning" as the Christian "Imitation" remain unknown and not ready to be calculated for nothing. We must act in small groups, quietly, gaining Little by little the land, without ever being discouraged.

2 ° PURPOSE

Starting point: Italy, because of Rome, and Rome, because of the Papacy, this is the point of aim of the conspiracy. It must therefore, to leave Italy, because its release will come the liberation of the world for the annihilation final of Catholicism, and then the Christian idea. You should always have a watchful eye on everything and always open what happens in Rome, disqualifying, opposite opinion public, all the action ... Given that the clerical unit of Italy is a chimera, a chimera absurdly far from. Actually, we can certainly produce an effect on safe masses and the youth already in turmoil. It should be against Rome without excessive zeal, but with great hatred, with the mind cold, with well-calculated action, very deep, which is a hundred times better than all the speeches from the stands. In Rome, the progress of our cause and are sensitive to this indicates that in war there are people (that are) well prepared already, (even if far away), (trying to stand in the way.)

3° CHOICE OF BISHOPS

Our brothers should take all the levers of control that allow to weigh on decisions concerning the choice of Bishops. In France, certainly may well be chosen by our brothers sympathizers. Must know how to propose The Ministry for according to their skills, their authority, their apostolic zeal and their knowledge of the world,
(almost in a military). And these qualities, the Pope will have the recognize and, for these qualities, to confirm their appointment.


4 ° RESOURCES

Money is sure to appeal. Should be avoided in all ways that the vacuum is made in the common fund. You know for experience that money is everywhere. Here is the weapon to the war. The only foolproof way to organize the flight. Donors of money must increase, in order to gather Considerable amounts of money, is the artillery which alone can open the breach of the siege to Peter. Substantial funds are deposited in France we have had major deals in London; Malta to have a printer available to us. We can, therefore, certainly act without fear, without fail, British and soil spreading, of a stroke, on Italy, from end to end, books, magazines, the house sale "Big" judge should be put into circulation. Printers Switzerland are already working and producing books as we desire. We count on France to act and work on Italy from another direction. The French are too boastful - the British too quiet - the Germans too nebulous. In our view, only Italy can meet the of resentment, calculating, cunning, discretion, patience, cold-blooded cruelty necessary to triumph. Space a few years, thanks to money, we have considerably advanced our work. The social disorganization is everywhere, on the north and south. It is very easy to pervert, France should put his mark on all the orgy universal in Paris will not fail its mission. All the old world crumbles, the powerful have had their day, and throughout the old world must eradicate the germ Catholic and Christian. Our dream will be fulfilled in the most
Simple: by basing everything on human passions.

5° - CORRUPTION

We never stop to corrupt; popularized vice in the crowd. That all breathe for the five senses, everybody drink that everyone will be saturated. Let's hearts vicious, and we will not Catholics. If we save the body, triumphant spirit. Infiltrate the poison into the hearts of all the best, estrange man from his family, he loses all their costumes. But all he has to absorb slowly and discretely through his daily toil, must, for him, have a great importance, without the intimidating, the relief of adulterous alliance. And corruption in depth and large, we have undertaken, corruption the people by the clergy, and clergy through ours.

The corruption that this should allow one day to conduct the Church to the grave. To reduce the Catholicism we know we should immediately (ruin) the woman. He's fine, but since we can not suppress it, just corrupt from within the Church. Work, therefore, until he has torn the Church from the hearts. The hearts will be where we talk about stronger, and will be the hearts of young people and even priests. You to the young that we must go. It is the youth that and we must drag down and seduce, because without them we will not (accomplish) anything.

It is the youth that we must attract, is that there must follow, which should enter into our ranks. Do not be, therefore, never, you, in their presence, an act of impiety. State well be careful because a betrayal of our cause. Keep all the appearances man straight, serious, moral. It is necessary that you enter, your reputation with the untouchable: in schools, at universities, convents, seminaries. And once that you will have gained the confidence of teachers and students, then part of the attack, mainly to those belonging the clerical militia .

Do yourself a reputation as good Catholics, etc.. It will be this reputation that will allow you to instill in our doctrines young clergy and convents: the lies and slanders. The priests are confident, never give them the suspicion of your perfidy (read: FAITHLESSNESS.) The crowd, however, of all time, it is extremely inclined to distort the truth: yourself in it, then, it loves to be deceived. There is little to be done, however, faced with old cardinals and prelates, who now have a good character decided, but with the help of our Bishops and, drawing on our well of popularity and unpopularity of the weapons to make them poor, unnecessary and ridiculous. An invented word and skillfully has a lodge in the art of honest Christian families, or to throw there, a coffee or a street. A word any, but it can destroy a man. If you approach one of these prelates, to exercise any public function, first attempt to study his character, dug in its past, study the qualities and above all discover, its flaws. Make use of all the traps that can tend to their steps, create their reputation imbecile-children, or cowardly sissies. Help yourself to a particular journal, and the people will not need further testing.

6° - PROTESTANTISM

It is a powerful aid. It is the primary means for the revolt against the authority of the Church of Jesus Christ. In the best movements de-Christianization of Europe there Protestantism: beginning with the removal of the statues of Saints in the churches, and, in the second half, distorting the Holy Mass. Protestant sects are the best open doors for the exit of Christianity with their superstitions and their bad faith. It is therefore necessary to introduce into the Catholic Church spirit of Protestantism.

7° - IN THE NAME OF THE SACRED REVOLUTION

If the revolution is shown as it truly is, it could scare all the people better. Rather, it must be covered by our know-how, as the wolf in sheep's clothing. Taking advantage of religious respect which the Church gives to the idea freedom, progress, law, authority, of civilization, fraternity, and now and then, ecumenism and updating (adaptation to the modern world) the revolution must use all these names (ideal) Venerable and conquer, first of all, sincere souls, convincing them that our revolution does not want "the good of the people" the destruction of the abuse, the abolition of poverty, promising to all the welfare, prosperity, prosperity and peace. In reality, however, our principle is the negation of all dogmas. Our best gift must be the negation to deny, deny, deny ever: this must be our method. Our conduct must have as a principle of religion, atheism, for political anarchy (not Communism is that the mask), the total lack in political economy property.

8 ° - THE PRESS

It is the great lever of the revolution. In France, over 540 newspapers, there are not even 30 who are really Christians. We must convince all that the Church is no longer height of the century. Journalists should not have, nor religious, nor political beliefs. Their consciences and their writings are sold to the highest bidder, raising the spirit of challenge, in order to increase the number of subscribers. The revolutionary journalism must use all his feathers against the Church.

(More to come.)
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: parentsfortruth on May 13, 2011, 03:59:28 PM
"The Masonic Plan"

During all those years fighting to steady and methodical rid of the Catholic Church, we have progressed so substantially in accordance with the objectives to be achieved.

1) Rupture of a single faith. There are already many who deny and are skeptical of the basic tenets such as:

a) the presence of the Eucharist;
b) the divinity of Jesus and his resurrection;
c) the perpetual virginity of Mary
d) the existence of hell, angels and demons,
etc. ...


2) Situation of schism and apostasy, but still really hidden.

3) open environment of the Magisterium of the Church, the Pope
and his doctrine.

4) Control of the publishing houses and Catholic publications.

5) Penetration in religious education, especially in ecclesiastical faculties and seminaries. Those who have infiltrated in seminaries and religious congregations are able to take places of influence and act effectively. Work with us unconsciously but effectively: bishops, priests, catechists, and several religious congregations, male and female. (it is true that the vocations have, hardly guarantee their survival, but this does not matter!).

6) Marginalization of priests and religious faithful to the traditional doctrine.

7) Abandonment of confession, for the benefit of absolution General.

8) Loss of prayer in its various forms (prayer staff, as the Holy Rosary, Stations of the Cross, processions. Rogation, etc ...).

9) Contempt of devotion to the SS. Virgin Mary obsolete.

10) devaluation of the Eucharist. The measures we have proposals have proved very effective:

a) Changing the structure of the Mass, diluting its vertical aspect, adding to its appearance horizontal.
b) Freedom to remove liturgical ornaments; changing or eliminating the ceremonies, the trivialization and devaluing the rites.
c) Communion in the hand, to remove the importance of Jesus.
d) Eliminate all forms of bowing and reverence.

11) Altering the sense of sin.

12) To promote immorality, presenting it as a freedom and progress: sexual liberation, condoms, homosexuality, promotion of pornography in video, film, sex shops, magazines and especially on television.

13) Freedom of the divorce.

14) Approval of abortion. (finally, the Catholic Irish has also approved!).

15) Delete the religious and moral training of youth.

16) corrupting the youth by promoting drugs, sex, entertainment immoral, slander, violence, etc. ...

17) control the means of social communications, especially television.

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Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: parentsfortruth on May 13, 2011, 04:05:14 PM
FUTURE GOALS

1) Continue the items listed first.

2) We are already able to occupy the summit of power within the Church. Then, resume and openly "with authority", the last phase of our tactics:

a) Finish with the vertical dimension and with any form of prayer
b) Destroy the theocentrism with anthropocentrism (What does this word mean? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropocentrism))
c) Relativize morality. There are no principles or References goals, much less imposed (said) from above. Everything is subjective.
d) Liberalisation of sexual practices.
e) Priesthood for women.
f) Voluntary celibacy.
g) Finally, our greatest aspiration is to eliminate Mass. It can not be deleted from one day to another, because many did not accept. It should suppress the appearance of "sacrifice" and limit the size of the "fraternal dinner. " In this way, the mass will have lost its value and sacramental meeting will become a simple, empty of any content.

Once the Mass is destroyed, we will have destroyed its essence, the Catholic Church itself,from the inside , without bloody persecution, the capitulation of
Catholics themselves. We have the triumph of hand.


Very soon we will cry out: "We've won, Galileo!"

(More to come.)
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: parentsfortruth on May 13, 2011, 04:18:20 PM
Another "Masonic Plan"

"Our ultimate goal is that of Voltaire and the Revolution French, namely: the complete annihilation of Catholicism and even of the Christian ...

With the passport of hypocrisy, we can conspire with any Our comfortable and reach, little by little, for our purpose. (...). What we must try and wait as Jews await the Messiah, is a Pope according to our needs. (...). There is little to do with the old with the Cardinals and Prelates of strong character! (...).

Youth must be designed: we must seduce the young! You necessary that we attract the youth, although it is not notice, under the banner of secret societies. (...). Do you wish to revolutionize Italy? Look for the Pope of which we We did the portrait. You want to establish the kingdom of the elect on the throne of the prostitute of Babylon? Let the clergy walk under your flag, believing to walk in the flag of the Apostolic Keys! Stretch your networks, stretch it to the bottom of the sacristy, the seminaries, convents (...). You fish of friends and they lead to the foot of the Apostolic See. You have caught it a revolution in tiara and cape preceded by the cross and banner, a revolution that will not need a little help to set the fire at the four corners of the world. The conspiracy against the Roman See should never confused with other projects (...). All conspiracy is against Rome! (...).

Catholicism, much less of the monarchy, is not afraid the tip of a style, but these two bases of social order may fall under the weight of corruption. Do not grow weary therefore never to bribe (...) popularized defect in flocks. Who breathe with the five senses, drink it, that if they saturate (...).

Leave the people without counsel and you'll have no Catholics. Remove the priest from work, from the altar and by virtue seek right to occupy his thoughts elsewhere, and his time."

(More to come.)
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: parentsfortruth on May 13, 2011, 04:29:15 PM
Other "Masonic plan"

This other "plan" for the destruction of the Catholic Church I have had, since 1976, a German publisher. They are "10 Masonic commandments"for the fight against Catholic Rome:

1) The rock of Peter must be split. There are about 2500 Bishops (in those days) in the Church, therefore, we must split in 2500 pieces! .. The Pope and the Bishops must remove the power, through majority decisions of several fellow Democrats, where we settled our affiliates ...  We will justify them with the to say it an "adult Christianity"...

2) To transform the consciousness of the child - a father-son relationship - In a relationship of comradeship.

3) Elimination of all traditions.

4) deposing of the Gospel - to doubt the truth Faith!

5) the liturgical reform: abolish the compulsory Latin, to create confusion in the various Babylonian liturgies.

6) Remove the guilt complex and the consciousness of sin.

7) Empty the churches from the "real presence", change the altar in the "table" to remove the sacred images ...

8) Turn the "profession of faith in a concept existential faith.

9) Switching the Mother of Jesus from the church life.

10) Shorten the time for prayer, to give more space to active Christianity.

After this, I remember that, for a "sheet" of the French Masons, "The Humanism" (November-December 1968), was already published a "budget" on the application of Decree reconcile with a "prediction" after the council.

It read:

 "The columns of the old Church, which are collapsed more easily, were as follows:

1) the dogma of papal infallibility (with the "collegiality");

2) the "Real Presence" of Christ in the Sacrament of the altar: "Inter-communion", "celebration" of priests Catholics with Protestant pastors; Communion on hands "," Abolition of genuflections ...

3) "the downgrading of the Sacrament of Confession": (Diminished sense of sin confessions by mass; inoculated with the idea that sin was an interpretation pessimistic view of the Bible by the medieval philosophy."

In their "document" Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Protocol No 11 says: "Here is the schedule of the new constitution that we prepare. We will create and put in implement the laws and governments:

1) in the form of projects that will be submitted to bodies legislation;

2) with the help of presidential decrees in the form of resolutions Common, of judgments of the Senate, of decrees of the council of state and ministerial decisions;

3) at the appropriate time, then, in the form of a national uprising."

After clamping down on to the "modus agenda" we will Details of those tactical moves, which will be indispensable to make changes in the activity of state apparatus, according to the direction indicated. These tactical moves concern: the freedom of the press, the right of association, freedom of conscience, the principles of the electoral system and many other events that should disappear from Directory of humanity, to give way to a radical change after the promulgation of the new constitution. Only then we will announce all our deliberations, since any change latest will be dangerous. And here are the causes: whether these changes will be introduced in absolutely and in the direction of austerity and restrictions, this can cause an explosion of despair, caused by fear of further changes in the same direction.
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: parentsfortruth on May 13, 2011, 04:30:43 PM
The reason I didn't put this in the library section, is because I wanted people to be able to comment on it. This is some absolutely dynamite information, and I couldn't help sharing what I read.
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: Hobbledehoy on May 16, 2011, 04:14:46 PM
Thanks so much for posting this.

There is a lot here whereupon to ponder and consider. As the days and years and decades go by, what has happened with the Church and Western civilization in general seems to have been masterfully orchestrated according to some perverse plan. The evidence is becoming more undeniable.
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: Exilenomore on May 16, 2011, 04:31:35 PM
The thing that always stands out to me is how they speak of God and supernatural matters as if they know that the catholic religion is true. As if they consciously rebel against our Lord. This is the mysterium iniquitatis. I shudder at the fate of those who deliberately strive against the Divinity.
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: LordPhan on May 16, 2011, 09:27:49 PM
Quote from: Exilenomore
The thing that always stands out to me is how they speak of God and supernatural matters as if they know that the catholic religion is true. As if they consciously rebel against our Lord. This is the mysterium iniquitatis. I shudder at the fate of those who deliberately strive against the Divinity.


Freemason's worship lucifer.
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: Exilenomore on May 17, 2011, 11:03:07 AM
Quote from: LordPhan
Quote from: Exilenomore
The thing that always stands out to me is how they speak of God and supernatural matters as if they know that the catholic religion is true. As if they consciously rebel against our Lord. This is the mysterium iniquitatis. I shudder at the fate of those who deliberately strive against the Divinity.


Freemason's worship lucifer.


I am aware of that. Knowing this exposes the lies of modern philosophy and psycho-analysis which say that people do not ever really want or choose to do evil deliberately, as if it is impossible to be ill intentioned.
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: parentsfortruth on May 28, 2011, 11:26:28 AM
Bumping this.
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: parentsfortruth on June 25, 2011, 06:53:23 PM
Bumping for ajpirc and others who just joined so that they can get some perspective.

 :smile:
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: the smart sheep on June 25, 2011, 09:37:02 PM
Quote from: parentsfortruth
The reason I didn't put this in the library section, is because I wanted people to be able to comment on it. This is some absolutely dynamite information, and I couldn't help sharing what I read.


Thank you parents for truth.

I am currently in a conversation with a NO friend who believes  freemasonry is active in society, my friend is always pointing out freemasonry or satanic symbols etc. But refuses to believe JJPII or B16 or the Church has anything to do with this.

My friend does however believe that there are a lot of wrongs committed in the NO Church and has made many changes to avoid for example Clown Masses, etc.

 My friend has Holy Statues, relics, medals, pictures ect. and is very prayerful,loves the saints.

The other day my friend said that in the Catholic Catechism it states that there WILL BE a Revolution in the Church in the end days. I told my friend that there IS  is a revolution in the Church right now - V2.

My friend adamantly disagreed.

This helps me a lot, thank you

the smart sheep
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: ajpirc on June 25, 2011, 10:10:50 PM
Quote from: parentsfortruth
Bumping for ajpirc and others who just joined so that they can get some perspective.

 :smile:


Thank you
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: ajpirc on July 11, 2011, 10:52:31 PM
Was this a plan written out by the Masons or was it put together by Chiesa?
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: parentsfortruth on July 12, 2011, 12:08:44 AM
This stuff here is from their (the Freemasons) own documents, obtained by Chiesa Viva.
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: ajpirc on July 12, 2011, 06:20:28 AM
Were they from a collection of documents or one single document?
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: parentsfortruth on July 12, 2011, 10:04:56 AM
Quote from: ajpirc
Were they from a collection of documents or one single document?


If you read, they are all different ones. Some dated back to 1947. Others dated 1962, 1993, et cetera.
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: ajpirc on July 12, 2011, 11:25:40 AM
Quote from: parentsfortruth
Quote from: ajpirc
Were they from a collection of documents or one single document?


If you read, they are all different ones. Some dated back to 1947. Others dated 1962, 1993, et cetera.


Ok, so those first 33 points originally from the same 1962 document? Where did Chiesa find the documents? I want to point them out to NO Catholics.
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: parentsfortruth on July 12, 2011, 01:14:56 PM
I appreciate your zeal in this matter, but this document was translated from Italian into English by me with the help of a few translation programs.

I linked the original work in the beginning of this thread, but I'll link it here again for expediency.

http://www.chiesaviva.com/la%20massoneria.pdf

It's in Italian, and I encourage you to translate it, or take it to someone who knows Italian themselves. You might even want to contact Father Villa's office directly. Here is his contact information.

http://www.chiesaviva.com/contatti.htm

I don't think the Chiesa Viva on the website is even the entire one. I think if you write to them, you can order one and get the whole thing in its entirety. I wish I could do that myself, but I wouldn't have the time to sit here and type instead of copy/paste into a translation program.

Some novus ordo catholics I've shown this to, have tried to suggest that Father Villa isn't even a real person, or confuse him with another Father Villa that heads some kind of order. I don't even remember which one. They don't want to believe this, so I wish you luck in trying to convince them of the voracity of what's been compiled here.



Quote from: ajpirc
Quote from: parentsfortruth
Quote from: ajpirc
Were they from a collection of documents or one single document?


If you read, they are all different ones. Some dated back to 1947. Others dated 1962, 1993, et cetera.


Ok, so those first 33 points originally from the same 1962 document? Where did Chiesa find the documents? I want to point them out to NO Catholics.
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: ajpirc on July 12, 2011, 01:30:35 PM
Does Freemasonry in the Church have something to do with the Modernism that was in?
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: ajpirc on July 12, 2011, 01:35:07 PM
Or Protestantism? I know they promote it, but are they themselves Protestants?
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: parentsfortruth on July 12, 2011, 02:01:42 PM
My understanding is that the Freemasons were the pestilence in the Church that was infusing Modernism into Her. If you read Pope Leo XIII encyclicals on Freemasonry, and Saint Pius X encyclicals on the modernists, you'll see this theme repeated.

They both recognized the fact that both the Freemasons and the Modernists were so engulfed in the Church as occult (hidden) enemies, that it was hard to get them out, and that's why they warned through their encyclicals, and Saint Pius X, with the Oath against Modernism, to be watchful for the enemies, because they both knew this would be the method to try to destroy the Church.

An apt way to describe it, maybe, would be to lump the communists and the Freemasons (which the Freemasons themselves describe as "only a mask" when they speak of communism) as two different corporations owned by the same entity (Satan.)

Perhaps another way of saying it, would be a criminal adopting several different aliases to disguise his true identity, and cover up his behavior.

Same, same with the Freemasons, Modernists, Communists, Protestants, whatever you want to call them. They all work for the same entity: all to different degrees (some for nefarious purposes with full knowledge in the case of Freemasons, some for reasons of indifferentism like the Modernists, some for "social justice" like the communists, some because of ignorance like many protestants, and some because of pernicious heresy and rejection of authority like some other protestants) perhaps not really knowing that they work towards the same goal, and that is the destruction of the Church and the seeming (short lived) triumph of Satan.

Hope that helps.
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: parentsfortruth on August 07, 2011, 10:48:37 PM
Bumping for the new people that haven't had a chance to absorb this.
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: parentsfortruth on August 22, 2011, 01:24:45 PM
Bumping again!
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: PartyIsOver221 on August 22, 2011, 03:16:31 PM
Good thread, thanks for bumping.  I missed it!
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: Baskerville on August 23, 2011, 04:07:22 PM
So why would Benedict try to restore some traditions, is it an attempt to try to hide the destruction of the Church? Just a lipstick on a pig sort of thing?
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: Baskerville on August 23, 2011, 04:09:42 PM
This is all very creepy stuff. I have no doubt that something evil took place during the lead up and implimentation of Vatican II.
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: parentsfortruth on August 23, 2011, 06:10:32 PM
Quote from: Baskerville
So why would Benedict try to restore some traditions, is it an attempt to try to hide the destruction of the Church? Just a lipstick on a pig sort of thing?


Exactly this.
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: Gregory I on November 12, 2011, 10:42:03 AM
Bump
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: parentsfortruth on May 17, 2012, 11:02:43 AM
Bump for relevance.
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: parentsfortruth on December 14, 2012, 03:17:09 PM
I'm bumping this for relevance again. The reason I am, is because there are many things in these letters occurring in the Society of Saint Pius X right now. It's happening right underneath our noses. Please, encourage people to read/translate it for themselves. You can find the original Italian at www.chiesaviva.com
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: Maria Elizabeth on December 14, 2012, 11:33:49 PM
Quote from: parentsfortruth
I'm bumping this for relevance again. The reason I am, is because there are many things in these letters occurring in the Society of Saint Pius X right now. It's happening right underneath our noses. Please, encourage people to read/translate it for themselves. You can find the original Italian at www.chiesaviva.com


Thank you for the bump.  I hadn't seen this.  

Can you also file this in the library so it won't get lost?  Thank you.

Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: Neil Obstat on December 15, 2012, 02:51:21 AM
Quote from: Exilenomore
Quote from: LordPhan
Quote from: Exilenomore
The thing that always stands out to me is how they speak of God and supernatural matters as if they know that the Catholic religion is true. As if they consciously rebel against our Lord.  This is the mysterium iniquitatis. I shudder at the fate of those who deliberately strive against the Divinity.


Freemasons worship lucifer.


I am aware of that.  Knowing this exposes the lies of modern philosophy and psycho-analysis which say that people do not ever really want or choose to do evil deliberately, as if it is impossible to be ill intentioned.



I think you have touched on something here, Exilenomore, that is easily
overlooked.  This error you highlight is used by other venues to promote
the overall agenda of Modernism, which is in reality a direct assault against
the Truth of Our Lord Jesus Christ.  

But the enemy, the adversary, is very slick.  He obscures his methods and
his ways, so as if to deceive if it were possible, even the elect.  "Behold I
have told it to you, beforehand"  (Matt. xxiv. 25).  

For modern philosophy, in its cooperation with the dragon of hell, has
given the sciences and sociologists the tools they need to deceive the
masses of people who are dazed and confused, and "searching for meaning,"
as JPII said in one of his phony 'consecrations' that had the purpose, the
unholy intention, of NOT complying with Our Lady's simple request.  

There was a shooting this morning in Connecticut, and how many people
are going around saying that this boy could not have intended to do evil?  
In this way, they take the blame away from the perpetrator, and put it on
the guns.  The guns therefore become the evil, in their minds, and to them,
since their subjective reality is all that matters, no one is capable of truly
evilness, and therefore the evil must be in the hardware.  

Therefore the hardware must be made illegal.   Simple.  

And that's how Communism spreads, the "errors of Russia" advance in
the world, and the Church is brought low.  

Why is it there are not mass shootings like this in Texas, where people
are free to carry concealed weapons, or wear them as sidearms in
public?  Why not Georgia, or Louisiana or Oaklahoma or Mississippi?  
Why Connecticut?  I have a friend from Texas, and he explains it very
simply.  They don't try this in Texas because they know they'd be dead
in two seconds.   End of story.  

Quote from: Exilenomore

Knowing this (that Freemasons worship lucifer) exposes the lies of modern philosophy and psycho-analysis which say that people do not ever really want or choose to do evil deliberately, as if it is impossible to be ill-intentioned.


How many times have you heard a pop-psychologist chime the mantra that
everyone is basically good, and that it is a positive attribute (as if it were a
virtue!)  to believe in the fundamental goodness of man?  

This is a contradiction of Catholic doctrine, that we are all tainted by
original sin, and we have a fundamental proclivity toward error, heresy,
sin and badness.   Not goodness.   Only by  A)  Baptism and  B)  the
sacraments offered by Holy Mother Church, are we able to rise above the
evils of our inclinations and do anything truly good.  

If we were under the Social Kingship of Jesus Christ, King, there would be
no mass shootings.  

I heard a stupid radio talking head, a "spokeshole" (his favorite term which
he never applies to himself!), ask why these shootings were never heard
of 100 years ago.   "They had guns then.  Why no rampant, mass
murdering shootings?"  

Good question..   COULD IT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH RAMPANT
LIBERALISM TODAY??  The language these clowns used against the news
today could equally apply to the murder of innocent children by abortion.  
Where is the outrage against abortion?  How long does it take for 28
babies to be killed by planned execution with abortion?  A few hours?  
Every day, every week, every month, every year?  Where is the outrage???

I heard Bishop Williamson in person, just after the Columbine massacre,
give a sermon on this topic.  At the time, he said, just wait until the girls
start to do these things.  It will be even worse.   That was April 20th, 1999,
in Littleton, Colorado, over 13 years ago.

Does anyone remember the mother who pushed her car into the lake
with her own children strapped into the car seats?  Or the mother who
drowned her own children in the family bathtub?  

Because when the girls do it, you have no question but that there is a
most evil intent afoot.  No question.  



Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: Neil Obstat on December 15, 2012, 03:30:43 AM
I appreciate you posting this, parentsfortruth.  

Why do you not offer a bit of background on Fr. Luigi Villa?  

I read one story that explains how he had met Padre Pio, who had told
him when he was very young, that he should go back to school and earn
his degree in sacred theology, because then he would be able to live out
the plan that God had for him, to fight for Holy Mother Church in the
great battle that would soon rise to a high degree of power and influence.
So Fr. Villa did so, earned his degree, and then started to write books.

His book exposing the depravity of Pope Paul VI stopped the process
cold, which was moving toward his beatification.  Then he wrote
another book about JPII, but it was delayed in publication and did not
get out quite in time to stop his beatification.  

Now, Paul VI is once again moving forward, even though this most
devastating documentary is available for all the world to see, as if this  
were a fulfillment of Scripture:  "And it was given unto him to make war
with the saints and to overcome them" (Apoc. xiii. 7).

"If any man have an ear, let him hear" (Apoc. xiii. 9).



Quote from: parentsfortruth
I appreciate your zeal in this matter, but this document was translated from Italian into English by me with the help of a few translation programs.

I linked the original work in the beginning of this thread, but I'll link it here again for expediency.

http://www.chiesaviva.com/la%20massoneria.pdf

It's in Italian, and I encourage you to translate it, or take it to someone who knows Italian themselves. You might even want to contact Father Villa's office directly. Here is his contact information.

http://www.chiesaviva.com/contatti.htm

I don't think the Chiesa Viva on the website is even the entire one. I think if you write to them, you can order one and get the whole thing in its entirety. I wish I could do that myself, but I wouldn't have the time to sit here and type instead of copy/paste into a translation program.

Some novus ordo catholics I've shown this to, have tried to suggest that Father Villa isn't even a real person, or confuse him with another Father Villa that heads some kind of order. I don't even remember which one. They don't want to believe this, so I wish you luck in trying to convince them of the [veracity] of what's been compiled here.



Quote from: ajpirc
Quote from: parentsfortruth
Quote from: ajpirc
Were they from a collection of documents or one single document?


If you read, they are all different ones. Some dated back to 1947. Others dated 1962, 1993, et cetera.


Ok, so those first 33 points originally from the same 1962 document? Where did Chiesa find the documents? I want to point them out to NO Catholics.




It seems to me anyone would have a lot more luck if there were more
information about Fr. Luigi Villa.  There are a number of excellent priests
alive today who knew him personally, so they could be an excellent
reference.  

In the meantime, here is an excellent web page for those interested:


(http://padrepioandchiesaviva.com/images/18713991.png) (http://padrepioandchiesaviva.com/uploads/Chi___don_Villa_OK_en.pdf)(click on image: active link)


Padre Pio and Chiesa viva  

Padre Pio & Fr. Villa
(http://padrepioandchiesaviva.com/Padre_Pio___Fr.html)

Almost sixty years ago, “Padre Pio first met Father Luigi Villa, whom he entreated to devote his entire life to fight Ecclesiastical Freemasonry. Padre Pio told Father Villa that Our Lord had designs upon him and had chosen him to be educated and trained to fight Freemasonry within the Church. The Saint spelled out this task in three meetings with Father Villa, which took place in the last fifteen years of life of Padre Pio. At the close of the second meeting [second half of 1963], Padre Pio embraced Father Villa three times, saying to him: ‘Be brave, now…for the Church has already been invaded by Freemasonry!’ and then stated: ‘Freemasonry has already made it into the loafers (shoes) of the Pope!’ At the time, the reigning Pope was Paul VI.


“The mission entrusted to Father Luigi Villa by Padre Pio to fight Freemasonry within the Catholic Church was approved by Pope Pius XII who gave a Papal Mandate for his work. Pope Pius XII’s Secretary of State, Cardinal Tardini, gave Father Villa three Cardinals to work with and to act as his own personal ‘guardian angels’:   Cardinal Ottaviani, Cardinal Parente and Cardinal Palazzini. Father Villa worked with these three cardinals until their deaths.”

(http://padrepioandchiesaviva.com/images/18870425.png)
(http://padrepioandchiesaviva.com/images/18870471.png)(http://padrepioandchiesaviva.com/images/18870466.png)


In order to fight this battle, in 1971 Fr. Villa founded his magazine, “Chiesa viva” with correspondents and collaborators in every continent.  It was immediately attacked by the upper echelon of the Catholic Church: the magazine was ostracized among the clergy and its collaborators were gradually forced to leave.  Then they isolated its Director and his few remaining collaborators.  The efforts to silence “Chiesa viva” once and for all also included seven assassination attempts on Fr. Villa!”  




Read the entire web page (http://padrepioandchiesaviva.com/Padre_Pio___Fr.html) -- there is a lot more there!  
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: Canute on December 15, 2012, 10:34:24 AM
Someone translated into English the Chiesa Viva on Paul VI. I have a copy. It's excellent and has many interesting photos.

BTW, I think Fr. Villa died the same day as Fr. Martin Stepanich, which would have been very appropriate.
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on December 15, 2012, 06:34:24 PM
Quote from: Beatifico
Quote from: parentsfortruth
Bumping again!


Sorry - new here. What does "bumping" mean?


That means to give the newer people a chance to respond.
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: Nadir on December 15, 2012, 08:24:59 PM
This bears repeating:

http://padrepioandchiesaviva.com/uploads/Chi___don_Villa_OK_en.pdf

Who is Father Luigi Villa? by Dr. Franco Adessa

At the request of many people from Italy and abroad, and after more than twenty years of collaboration with this courageous Priest, I decided to write this short biography of Father Luigi Villa,because I can no longer be silent about the indescribable and unending persecution suffered by this old, faithful and incorruptible Minister of God!
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 A MUST READ!!
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: parentsfortruth on December 17, 2012, 12:44:43 PM
Quote from: Nadir
This bears repeating:

http://padrepioandchiesaviva.com/uploads/Chi___don_Villa_OK_en.pdf

Who is Father Luigi Villa? by Dr. Franco Adessa

At the request of many people from Italy and abroad, and after more than twenty years of collaboration with this courageous Priest, I decided to write this short biography of Father Luigi Villa,because I can no longer be silent about the indescribable and unending persecution suffered by this old, faithful and incorruptible Minister of God!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 A MUST READ!!


If one goes to Chiesaviva.com, they can read a lot of things, including the biography of Father Villa. I encourage people to do this, as there were at least 6 attempts on his life while his mission given to him by Padre Pio was being executed.

Bumping means, pushing an old thread that is relevant to discussions on a board, to the top, so that fresh discussion can take place on topics related to the old material.
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: KofCTrad on December 17, 2012, 06:31:53 PM
Quote from: the smart sheep
Quote from: parentsfortruth
The reason I didn't put this in the library section, is because I wanted people to be able to comment on it. This is some absolutely dynamite information, and I couldn't help sharing what I read.


Thank you parents for truth.

I am currently in a conversation with a NO friend who believes  freemasonry is active in society, my friend is always pointing out freemasonry or satanic symbols etc. But refuses to believe JJPII or B16 or the Church has anything to do with this.

My friend does however believe that there are a lot of wrongs committed in the NO Church and has made many changes to avoid for example Clown Masses, etc.

 My friend has Holy Statues, relics, medals, pictures ect. and is very prayerful,loves the saints.

The other day my friend said that in the Catholic Catechism it states that there WILL BE a Revolution in the Church in the end days. I told my friend that there IS  is a revolution in the Church right now - V2.

My friend adamantly disagreed.

This helps me a lot, thank you

the smart sheep


I'm going to post this video here to show how utterly and totally evil and satanic masonry is and how it's connected to the international banking houses who fund it. The people who got Trotsky his passport and get him out of "jams" are nothing more than Rothschild agents. Also read Red Symphony.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcAPJ-kn8Vs

Sorry not in English. Subtitles.

Here is the "Red Symphony"
http://henrymakow.com/000275.html
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: OHCA on January 02, 2013, 03:42:37 PM
Quote from: parentsfortruth
Yesterday, I decided that since the Chiesa Viva put out in 2008, regarding the plot against the Church regarding Freemasonry, was worth my time to read. I bothered to go on Google Translate, and, paragraph by paragraph, I translated it. I wanted to share with you the 33 points in which the Mason bishops were directed to destroy things, little by little, and their attempts to quell dissenters, and marginalize them by painting the people that disagree with them as "disobedient."

This is the translation from Italian to English. If you would like to google translate it yourself, here's the source:

http://www.chiesaviva.com/la%20massoneria.pdf

A "plan Masonic" for the destruction of the Catholic Church

Directives of the Grand Master of Freemasonry to the Bishops Masons:
effective from 1962 (update of Vatican II) reworked in 1993 as a progressive plan for the final stage.

All Masons employed in the Catholic Church should accept them and implement them.

.............

11. Discontinue the practice of celebrating Mass, direction, or, at least, the presence of the Blessed Sacrament in the tabernacle. Do not admit any tabernacle on the altar that are used for the celebration of mass. The board should have the look of a kitchen table. It must be transportable to express that it is not sacred, but must serve more than one purpose, for example, conference or play cards. Further on, place at least one seat (by) this table. The priest must take place to indicate that, after Communion, he rest as after a meal. The priest must not ever do genuflections, kneeling, or standing. At meals, in fact, there never (is) kneel(ing). The chair of the priest should be (in the) place (of the) tabernacle. Encourage people to have the feelings of veneration and worship towards the priest that should (be) had towards the Eucharist, this would be "good thing" obey like Jesus in person. Place the Tabernacle in another room, out of sight.

. . . . .



Wow!  This is exactly how the NO church I grew up attending was set up--large priest chair and 2 altarboy chairs elevated and behind the altar.  Tabernacle was off to the side, seemingly insignificant.  And I remember at a very early age being confused and thinking the priest must be God.

I have not heard anybody else mention being confused as a child about this before.  Is there anybody else out there who attended NO "masses" as a child who can relate?  The priest is clearly the focus point in NO masses.
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: Geremia on January 17, 2013, 02:31:39 PM
Quote from: Exilenomore
Knowing this exposes the lies of modern philosophy and psycho-analysis which say that people do not ever really want or choose to do evil deliberately, as if it is impossible to be ill intentioned.
Yes, "modern philosophy and psycho-analysis" doesn't express it properly. The Thomistic teaching is that people choose evil under the aspect of good.
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: Geremia on January 17, 2013, 02:43:47 PM
Quote from: parentsfortruth
This stuff here is from their (the Freemasons) own documents, obtained by Chiesa Viva.
It appears to be taken from the Permanent Instruction of the (Italian) Alta Vendita (High Lodge) (http://www.tanbooks.com/doct/destroy_church.htm) by "Piccolo Tigre" ("The Little Tiger"), an Italian Freemason. Pope Leo XIII verified the Permanent Instruction's authenticity, and Msgr. Dillon, whose book Grand Orient Freemasonry Unmasked (a.k.a. War of Anti-Christ with the Church and Christian Civilization) (http://www.u.arizona.edu/~aversa/modernism/War%20of%20Anti-Christ%20with%20the%20Church%20and%20Christian%20Civilization%20(Msgr.%20Dillon).pdf) Pope Leo XIII urged every Catholic to read, has a chapter with the full Permanent Instruction, as well as another letter by "Piccolo Tigre" on how Freemasons can make converts, rip men away from their wives and families, and even convert priests to Freemasonic thinking. Both the Permanent Instruction and Piccolo Tigre's letter (chapters 14 and 15 of Msgr. Dillon's book, respectively) are the best primary sources for understanding the goals and aims of Freemasonry: the infiltration* and corruption of Holy Church.

(*not destruction, because, interestingly, Masons have come to realize this is impossible; perhaps this is a sign of their conversion, Deo volente.)
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: Raphaela on August 05, 2013, 09:00:00 PM
This is a very important thread, which hasn't been commented on since the election of Pope Francis, so I'm bumping it to the top again.
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: StCeciliasGirl on August 06, 2013, 12:30:24 AM
Thanks for this! Wow, I'd read Chiesa Viva (and linked up to some of the PDFs just to rankle the swine), but I never knew of Fr. Villa or his story.
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: parentsfortruth on December 03, 2013, 04:34:45 PM
Bumping this for people who haven't seen it.
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: Dana on December 03, 2013, 09:25:46 PM
For those of you who were unfamiliar with Fr. Villa, his books which can be obtained through the Apostolate of Our Lady of Good Success are excellent.  Most telling of the current situation is Father's last book, entitled Vatican II About Face!  I highly recommend it to everyone.  The overall emphasis/request for all traditional Catholics to band together against the evils of the hierarchy was Fr. Villa's last and most important message.  May he rest in peace.
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: parentsfortruth on December 22, 2013, 12:44:35 PM
Bumping this again!
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: Luker on December 22, 2013, 05:08:29 PM
Very interesting information.  Thank you ParentsforTruth for your work in posting this.

Luke
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: LaughingAmigo on January 07, 2016, 04:59:04 PM
parentsfortruth is a Jew.

And this topic is an obvious hoax.  For starters, this so-called prophecy predicts a global flood which God promised in Genesis would never happen again after Noah.  

Secondly, it avoids associating Jews with Freemasonry even though Jews are at the top of the freemason food chain.  Amazingly, it manages to avoid the "Jew" word completely!

Thirdly, it's promoting sedevacantism.

C'mon people.  Don't be so goy.  This is obviously a farce designed with Jewish cunning to 1, divert attention from the Jews running the infiltration of the Church and 2, to cause schism, confusion and disunity among Catholics by promoting the fallacy that the last few popes are actually anti-popes.

Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: Desmond on January 07, 2016, 06:35:53 PM
Quote from: LaughingAmigo
parentsfortruth is a Jew.

And this topic is an obvious hoax.  For starters, this so-called prophecy predicts a global flood which God promised in Genesis would never happen again after Noah.  

Secondly, it avoids associating Jews with Freemasonry even though Jews are at the top of the freemason food chain.  Amazingly, it manages to avoid the "Jew" word completely!

Thirdly, it's promoting sedevacantism.

C'mon people.  Don't be so goy.  This is obviously a farce designed with Jewish cunning to 1, divert attention from the Jews running the infiltration of the Church and 2, to cause schism, confusion and disunity among Catholics by promoting the fallacy that the last few popes are actually anti-popes.



What are you going on about?

This is a translation from Chiesa Viva, founded by Fr. Luigi Villa many years ago.

http://www.padrepioandchiesaviva.com/


It also is untrue it "manages to avoid the Jew word completely" as it is mentioned if you bothered to read through some of it.
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: LaughingAmigo on January 07, 2016, 06:39:46 PM
Quote from: Desmond


What are you going on about?


It prophecies a global flood when we know God promised that can't happen.  The thing is a hoax, case closed.
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: Desmond on January 07, 2016, 06:58:32 PM
Quote from: LaughingAmigo
Quote from: Desmond


What are you going on about?


It prophecies a global flood when we know God promised that can't happen.  The thing is a hoax, case closed.


What does? The issue of Chiesa Viva he was translating from?
Title: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: Nadir on January 07, 2016, 08:00:56 PM
Quote from: LaughingAmigo
Quote from: Desmond


What are you going on about?


It prophecies a global flood when we know God promised that can't happen.  The thing is a hoax, case closed.


Give a reference for your "prophecy of a global flood".

By the way: thanks for bumping this thread!
Title: Re: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: parentsfortruth on September 25, 2019, 11:16:39 AM
Forgive me, Matthew. This is more pertinent as ever, and people need to read this, in case they missed it. Might be wise to sticky it. Sad that still we do not have a hard copy of this in English. It's all coming to fruition now. Every stinking point of their plan is being laid out masterfully. God bless all. We live in very difficult times.
Title: Re: A Chiesa Viva worth reading
Post by: Miseremini on September 25, 2019, 03:50:52 PM
Nice to see you back Parents for Truth.