Author Topic: A Chiesa Viva worth reading (Read 34900 times)

ajpirc · « **Reply #20 on:** July 12, 2011, 11:25:40 AM »

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Were they from a collection of docuмents or one single docuмent?

If you read, they are all different ones. Some dated back to 1947. Others dated 1962, 1993, et cetera.

Ok, so those first 33 points originally from the same 1962 docuмent? Where did Chiesa find the docuмents? I want to point them out to NO Catholics.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #21 on:** July 12, 2011, 01:14:56 PM »

I appreciate your zeal in this matter, but this docuмent was translated from Italian into English by me with the help of a few translation programs.

I linked the original work in the beginning of this thread, but I'll link it here again for expediency.

http://www.chiesaviva.com/la%20massoneria.pdf

It's in Italian, and I encourage you to translate it, or take it to someone who knows Italian themselves. You might even want to contact Father Villa's office directly. Here is his contact information.

http://www.chiesaviva.com/contatti.htm

I don't think the Chiesa Viva on the website is even the entire one. I think if you write to them, you can order one and get the whole thing in its entirety. I wish I could do that myself, but I wouldn't have the time to sit here and type instead of copy/paste into a translation program.

Some novus ordo catholics I've shown this to, have tried to suggest that Father Villa isn't even a real person, or confuse him with another Father Villa that heads some kind of order. I don't even remember which one. They don't want to believe this, so I wish you luck in trying to convince them of the voracity of what's been compiled here.

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Quote from: ajpirc
Were they from a collection of docuмents or one single docuмent?

If you read, they are all different ones. Some dated back to 1947. Others dated 1962, 1993, et cetera.

Ok, so those first 33 points originally from the same 1962 docuмent? Where did Chiesa find the docuмents? I want to point them out to NO Catholics.

ajpirc · « **Reply #22 on:** July 12, 2011, 01:30:35 PM »

Does Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ in the Church have something to do with the Modernism that was in?

ajpirc · « **Reply #23 on:** July 12, 2011, 01:35:07 PM »

Or Protestantism? I know they promote it, but are they themselves Protestants?

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #24 on:** July 12, 2011, 02:01:42 PM »

My understanding is that the Freemasons were the pestilence in the Church that was infusing Modernism into Her. If you read Pope Leo XIII encyclicals on Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, and Saint Pius X encyclicals on the modernists, you'll see this theme repeated.

They both recognized the fact that both the Freemasons and the Modernists were so engulfed in the Church as occult (hidden) enemies, that it was hard to get them out, and that's why they warned through their encyclicals, and Saint Pius X, with the Oath against Modernism, to be watchful for the enemies, because they both knew this would be the method to try to destroy the Church.

An apt way to describe it, maybe, would be to lump the communists and the Freemasons (which the Freemasons themselves describe as "only a mask" when they speak of communism) as two different corporations owned by the same entity (Satan.)

Perhaps another way of saying it, would be a criminal adopting several different aliases to disguise his true identity, and cover up his behavior.

Same, same with the Freemasons, Modernists, Communists, Protestants, whatever you want to call them. They all work for the same entity: all to different degrees (some for nefarious purposes with full knowledge in the case of Freemasons, some for reasons of indifferentism like the Modernists, some for "social justice" like the communists, some because of ignorance like many protestants, and some because of pernicious heresy and rejection of authority like some other protestants) perhaps not really knowing that they work towards the same goal, and that is the destruction of the Church and the seeming (short lived) triumph of Satan.

Hope that helps.