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Is one of the posters at fisheaters a transɛҳuąƖ?
« Reply #400 on: June 30, 2013, 09:56:24 PM »
Of course, who cares even if it is real?  Or who cares even if it's completely public?  It's conciliar.

Is one of the posters at fisheaters a transɛҳuąƖ?
« Reply #401 on: June 30, 2013, 10:24:36 PM »
Quote from: Santo Subito
Is this serious? Even the posters at CAF have the sanity to cite to real Vatican docuмents before beginning their arguments. Is this mod actually appealing to a "secret" Vatican docuмent nobody has seen and that she cannot cite to, in order to justify irreparable bodily mutilation to satisfy psychological disorder? I'm at a loss for words.


This isn't the worst part. The worst part is that this "magic docuмent" defense actually stymied posters at FE! I didn't even think to use that one when i posted there. When the Neo-Trads attacked me for pointing out flaws in JPII's statements, I should have just referred to the "secret" JPII docuмent where he supported women's ordination and gαy marriage. It would have been game, set, and match me! Genius....


Is one of the posters at fisheaters a transɛҳuąƖ?
« Reply #402 on: June 30, 2013, 10:34:53 PM »
Quote from: Mithrandylan
Of course, who cares even if it is real?  Or who cares even if it's completely public?  It's conciliar.


True.  Even if it exists, which I doubt, it's about as authoratative (and Catholic) as the Winnipeg Statement.  Which is to say: it carries no authority whatsoever.

Is one of the posters at fisheaters a transɛҳuąƖ?
« Reply #403 on: July 01, 2013, 12:39:38 AM »
Quote from: Santo Subito

Is this serious? Even the posters at CAF have the sanity to cite to real Vatican docuмents before beginning their arguments. Is this mod actually appealing to a "secret" Vatican docuмent nobody has seen and that she cannot cite to, in order to justify irreparable bodily mutilation to satisfy psychological disorder? I'm at a loss for words.


Yes, original source: http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3458857.msg33900395.html#msg33900395

Quote from: Impy

My friends,

I am a male to female transsɛҳuąƖ.  I have been aware of this for over 20 years.  Over 10 years ago, I pursued a sex change over the course of several years.  Among other things, this entailed estrogen therapy and a preliminary surgery.  I was living for all intents and purposes as a woman and was routinely called ma'am wherever I went.

I stopped my transition because of religious concerns and also because I thought it was more convenient simply to live as a gαy male.

The nature of this condition is such, however, that it will not go away.  It is not curable through psychotherapy.  This is the consensus of the medical community.

About a year and a half ago, I resumed estrogen therapy.  I did so after obtaining an opinion from the National Catholic Bioethics Center that this is morally permissible for me.

The Vatican issued an instruction sub secretum in 2000 to all the world's bishops on the issue of transsɛҳuąƖism.  In 2003, it was issued again to a number of bishops' conferences.  The instruction stated that bishops should not authorize a change of sex on baptismal certificates because, in the view of the Church, the sex change procedure does not change a person's birth sex.  However, the instruction also stated that sex change procedures are morally licit at least in some extreme cases where it would cure the person's inner turmoil.  That is the very nature of transsɛҳuąƖism, so one can assume the moral licitness of a sex change where the person is truly transsɛҳuąƖ.

The Vatican also instructed that those who have undergone the procedure may not marry, be ordained or enter religious life.

I nevertheless intend to continue to date men, and hopefully someday marry a good man.

While I still live (somewhat awkwardly) in the male role, that will change during the course of this year.  

I am coming out in the forum partly because my gender has been questioned and mocked by several men here.  They accused me of not looking like a male.  Well, they are quite right.  I also think it is important for people to understand this issue better.

I hope this helps you to understand now.

[edit to remove name]


The fact that this clarification (which it is, because before this, almost no detail was given, and after this, the forum admin altered the user's account to reflect the new "reality" they wanted) was defended at all is disturbing.

This is the source of most of the scandal directly on FE, as this clearly states that gross violations of Natural Law  are going to continue to take place (date men, marry a man, and living as a gαy man) and that the forum admin defends it. It is not detraction or fraternal correction to speak of this. It is public denouncement of a publicly committed evil.

Those who participate in it are guilty of the same sin, the same scandal.

The fact that the some people will not be silent, will protest this in the name of the Law given to us through our very nature, and even more so through the revelations of God and the Church, and are accused of even greater sin unjustly is another scandal.

That site should be removed from the Internet, the owner put under Ecclesiastical Censure, and all those who took part should publicly reform and profess the truth.



Is one of the posters at fisheaters a transɛҳuąƖ?
« Reply #404 on: July 01, 2013, 12:45:03 AM »
Vox's latest pity-party...

http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3459552.0.html

Quote from: Vox Clamantis
They apparently think I believe that a person can change his sex, that I think the Church teaches that, and worse, that I've said the Church teaches that when none of it is true.


Quote from: Vox Clamantis
I am not the judge of anyone and I refuse to boot out Catholics who profess, don't argue against, and uphold Catholic teaching (which Clare always had here aside from her having said she wished to marry, which was an expression of her personal desire, which she coupled with re-stating what the docuмent said  -- and her will to marry being something we seemed to have made her think twice about***) even if they fail in living those ideals and engage in sin, which we all do. That stuff isn't going to happen here, and I don't care how bad the crime is. I don't care how many people cancel their subscriptions; I'm not going to throw fellow Catholics under the bus for being human when there's no malice involved (which can't be said for some folks in threads at certain forums and for some folks here, most of whom, I pray, have gone).


*** and that stuff is now over, thanks to people who prefer to engage in detraction and gossip rather than Christian charity. I pray she isn't chased out of the Church.


I like how she's just soooo puzzled as to how anyone could get the impression that she believes people can change their sex, and then further along in the very same post repeatedly refers to Impy as she/her.  Is this real life?