Author Topic: wife rejects natural family planning (Read 28606 times)

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #75 on:** August 02, 2013, 09:36:54 AM »

Vaccines are a huge risk. All you have to do is ask my sister who has two that are nearly entirely dependent on my sister for almost everything. They were perfectly fine babbling babies when they got those vaccines. They couldn't talk at all until they were 6 years old. My neighbor here, has a grandchild. She warned that mother not to give vaccines. Enemas everyday for this poor little soul. Probably bowel problems for the rest of her life, and she doesn't function like a normal two year old either now. So don't sit here and tell me the risk is "very very small." I know personally at least 3 children in my immediate vicinity (and plenty more) that have autism from the shots. THIS IS PART OF THE MASS MURDER PLAN to make our children zombies for the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr. It's not even an argument. He's 100% right on this, and he shouldn't be demeaned or have to "apologize to his wife" for his stance.

Yes, organic, as you say "isn't as important" but if you can afford it, it's not hard to just pick up the stuff in the other aisle, rather than the stuff abundantly sitting in front of your face for cheap. Now if he were going broke over this (which it doesn't sound like, he's bringing in the bacon, obviously he's mathematically competent to know if they can afford it or not) then I could see trying to say "well honey, you just shop for whatever you want." And if he's bringing in that much, the problem here is not money.

This is not just an issue where you can go "oh well." If she continues this way, and decides to divorce, this will be HER fault. Besides, he doesn't have to grant it to her anyway. Perhaps when she hits "rock bottom," she'll begin to see what a warped mindset she really has. Eventually the children. seeing her proceed with such a thing, when older, will be able to ask questions about this situation, and he will have the moral highground. Yes, it will be more difficult, but it's more important if your wife is committing such a blatant sin against the very office of marriage, basically thumbing her nose in God's Divine Face, and saying "NO," you should NOT back down from the truth. God will reward you for long-suffering. Just stay close to Him.

I like Captain McQuiggs post the most about sanctifying the children and yourself. Prayer and fasting. These are good ways to deal with this, not "compromise" on this very grave issue.

By the way, I've been married for 15 years and we have 6 (going on 7) children here. I still say please go talk to your priest and ask what can be done.

Tiffany · « **Reply #76 on:** August 02, 2013, 09:45:38 AM »

PFT he doesn't have to agree for her to divorce him.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #77 on:** August 02, 2013, 09:46:36 AM »

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PFT he doesn't have to agree for her to divorce him.

That's what my point was when I said, "Besides, he doesn't have to grant it to her anyway."

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #78 on:** August 02, 2013, 09:49:21 AM »

Also, if she is Catholic, they would have to get an annulment for her to carry on with someone else, and he definitely would easily be able to prove that it's not legitimate.

Tiffany · « **Reply #79 on:** August 02, 2013, 09:52:37 AM »

What isn't legitimate and who is he proving it to?

Annulment or not it would steal mean the breakup of his family? I don't get what that has to do with his situation?

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #80 on:** August 02, 2013, 09:57:45 AM »

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What isn't legitimate and who is he proving it to?

Annulment or not it would steal mean the breakup of his family? I don't get what that has to do with his situation?

I don't know what state he lives in. Some states have "no fault" divorces, and some states have different rules on it. Sometimes one side has to prove that there was fault in a divorce. The point is, he would be able to show in the future to the children, if she did really try to go through with this, that he was doing the right thing in the eyes of God.

Divorce is a secular thing. The Catholic Church does not grant divorces, so this would be merely a civil matter and a grave sin on her part in the eyes of God.

If she did seek an annulment, then she would have to prove that her marriage was illegitimate from the beginning.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #81 on:** August 02, 2013, 10:00:02 AM »

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Also, if she is Catholic, they would have to get an annulment for her to carry on with someone else, and he definitely would easily be able to prove that it's not legitimate.

Let me quantify this better. Maybe that came out wrong. If she is catholic, she would have to get an annulment to be able to try to be with someone else, if that was her goal.

The husband would be able to prove that the marriage was legit from the beginning, and -her asking- for the annulment has no ground and would be able to stop her from obtaining one.

Tiffany · « **Reply #82 on:** August 02, 2013, 10:07:14 AM »

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What isn't legitimate and who is he proving it to?

Annulment or not it would steal mean the breakup of his family? I don't get what that has to do with his situation?

I don't know what state he lives in. Some states have "no fault" divorces, and some states have different rules on it. Sometimes one side has to prove that there was fault in a divorce. The point is, he would be able to show in the future to the children, if she did really try to go through with this, that he was doing the right thing in the eyes of God.

Divorce is a secular thing. The Catholic Church does not grant divorces, so this would be merely a civil matter and a grave sin on her part in the eyes of God.

If she did seek an annulment, then she would have to prove that her marriage was illegitimate from the beginning.

It's a civil matter but it's going to mean his family is broken up, they will live in separate places, he will most likely have limited access to his children.

What does her seeking an annulment after she divorces him have to do with his situation to her now?

ggreg · « **Reply #83 on:** August 02, 2013, 10:08:06 AM »

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Vaccines are a huge risk. All you have to do is ask my sister who has two that are nearly entirely dependent on my sister for almost everything. They were perfectly fine babbling babies when they got those vaccines.

Very sorry to hear this, but "your sister" is not a double blind clinical trial. Your are letting a personal experience cloud your judgement about something and you don't have any objective proof that they were perfectly fine babbling babies and did not have those problems latent waiting to come out.

Correlation does not imply causation.

1000s of children have those same vaccines and don't develop any problems, so vaccines are not a "huge" risk.

Tiffany · « **Reply #84 on:** August 02, 2013, 10:08:55 AM »

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Also, if she is Catholic, they would have to get an annulment for her to carry on with someone else, and he definitely would easily be able to prove that it's not legitimate.

Let me quantify this better. Maybe that came out wrong. If she is catholic, she would have to get an annulment to be able to try to be with someone else, if that was her goal.

The husband would be able to prove that the marriage was legit from the beginning, and -her asking- for the annulment has no ground and would be able to stop her from obtaining one.

If she is with someone else or not, once they are (civilly) divorced his family is going to be broken up.

ggreg · « **Reply #85 on:** August 02, 2013, 10:12:55 AM »

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Let me quantify this better. Maybe that came out wrong. If she is catholic, she would have to get an annulment to be able to try to be with someone else, if that was her goal.

She's using a IUD or Coil. She's hardly likely to care about the Church's opinion on her marital status.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #86 on:** August 02, 2013, 10:19:51 AM »

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Vaccines are a huge risk. All you have to do is ask my sister who has two that are nearly entirely dependent on my sister for almost everything. They were perfectly fine babbling babies when they got those vaccines.

Very sorry to hear this, but "your sister" is not a double blind clinical trial. Your are letting a personal experience cloud your judgement about something and you don't have any objective proof that they were perfectly fine babbling babies and did not have those problems latent waiting to come out.

Correlation does not imply causation.

1000s of children have those same vaccines and don't develop any problems, so vaccines are not a "huge" risk.

There are plenty of studies, and the fact that autism has increased at hundreds of percent in the last 30 years ought to tell any addle brained person that there's something WRONG with the vaccines. Do you even read about this stuff, or do you just enjoy blinders instead?

ggreg · « **Reply #87 on:** August 02, 2013, 10:22:27 AM »

I have a 12 year old autistic child, who also seemed 'normal' as a baby, so I have read quite a bit yes.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #88 on:** August 02, 2013, 10:23:33 AM »

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Let me quantify this better. Maybe that came out wrong. If she is catholic, she would have to get an annulment to be able to try to be with someone else, if that was her goal.

She's using a IUD or Coil. She's hardly likely to care about the Church's opinion on her marital status.

Then the bottom line is that she's a fallen away Catholic. She needs prayers from the husband and more. He needs the advice of a true priest on this matter.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #89 on:** August 02, 2013, 10:24:34 AM »

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I have a 12 year old autistic child, who also seemed 'normal' as a baby, so I have read quite a bit yes.

And you're still flag waving for vaccines?