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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
« Reply #135 on: March 17, 2022, 10:50:07 PM »
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  • La Papessa ha parlato.

    Of course she means to exclude herself.

    Offline cassini

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #136 on: March 18, 2022, 09:05:51 AM »
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  • In 1917 Communism was rampant in Russia and Catholicism was the faith of Europe. To dedicate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary made sense in that Russia did indeed spread ite errors of Communism as a political and anti-religious entity as it spread into Europe. But that really ended with the fall of the Berlin Wall times. So maybe the consecrations up to then sufficed for Heaven, that it was done. A period of peace did prevail in Europe after that. 

    In 2022, anti-Christianity now flourishes in the rest of the world while Russia is more Christian in many aspects of the faith.

    I asked Goodle 'Is Russia with a population of 124,000,000, still a Christian country?' It answered

    Christianity in Russia is the most widely professed religion in the country. The largest tradition is the Russian Orthodox Church. According to official sources, there are 170 eparchies of the Russian Orthodox Church, 145 of which are grouped in metropolitanates.  

     Religion Number %
    Christianity 67,720,000 47.4
    –Russian Orthodox Church 58,750,000 41.1
    –Other Orthodox Churches 2,140,000 1.5
    –Old Believers' Orthodoxy 460,000 0.3


    It seems to me, if we reason that the consecration was accepted by Heaven, and is no longer a viable consecration as asked by Sister Lucy because the Satanic errors of 1917 Communist Rusasia are no longer doing what the did then, to consecrate the Immaculate Heart of Mary to the anti-Christian errors of the West would be more in keeping with common Catholic sense that pretending Russia is still the bad guy and Ukraine and the west, including the USA, are the good guys in Our Lady's current asperations for the world.


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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #137 on: March 18, 2022, 10:22:34 AM »
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  •  The Vision of the Most Holy Trinity and Our Lady of Fatima at Tuy, Spain, June 13, 1929
    It was at this time, at the most solemn apparition of the whole series of Fatima apparitions, that Our Lady said to Sister Lucy:
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    “The moment has come in which God asks the Holy Father to make, and to order [not to invite] that in union with him and at the same time, all the bishops of the world make the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart, promising to convert it because of this day of prayer and worldwide reparation.”
    … Frère Michel de la Sainte Trinité, The Whole Truth About Fatima — Vol. II, p. 555.


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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #138 on: March 18, 2022, 11:07:23 AM »
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  • In 1917 Communism was rampant in Russia and Catholicism was the faith of Europe. To dedicate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary made sense in that Russia did indeed spread ite errors of Communism as a political and anti-religious entity as it spread into Europe. But that really ended with the fall of the Berlin Wall times. So maybe the consecrations up to then sufficed for Heaven, that it was done. A period of peace did prevail in Europe after that.

    In 2022, anti-Christianity now flourishes in the rest of the world while Russia is more Christian in many aspects of the faith.

    I asked Goodle 'Is Russia with a population of 124,000,000, still a Christian country?' It answered

    Christianity in Russia is the most widely professed religion in the country. The largest tradition is the Russian Orthodox Church. According to official sources, there are 170 eparchies of the Russian Orthodox Church, 145 of which are grouped in metropolitanates. 

     Religion Number %
    Christianity 67,720,000 47.4
    –Russian Orthodox Church 58,750,000 41.1
    –Other Orthodox Churches 2,140,000 1.5
    –Old Believers' Orthodoxy 460,000 0.3


    It seems to me, if we reason that the consecration was accepted by Heaven, and is no longer a viable consecration as asked by Sister Lucy because the Satanic errors of 1917 Communist Rusasia are no longer doing what the did then, to consecrate the Immaculate Heart of Mary to the anti-Christian errors of the West would be more in keeping with common Catholic sense that pretending Russia is still the bad guy and Ukraine and the west, including the USA, are the good guys in Our Lady's current asperations for the world.

    Then again, maybe Pope Francis should consecrate Rome to the immaculate heart of Mary.

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #139 on: March 18, 2022, 01:04:41 PM »
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  • The Vision of the Most Holy Trinity and Our Lady of Fatima at Tuy, Spain, June 13, 1929
    It was at this time, at the most solemn apparition of the whole series of Fatima apparitions, that Our Lady said to Sister Lucy:… Frère Michel de la Sainte Trinité, The Whole Truth About Fatima — Vol. II, p. 555.
    Yes, I noticed how Bergoglio is merely "inviting"....


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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #140 on: March 18, 2022, 01:38:54 PM »
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  • He's doing it with the Bishops of the world

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    Re: Was Russia properly consecrated to the Immaculate Heart?
    « Reply #141 on: March 18, 2022, 01:54:35 PM »
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  •     1. to unite "with all the bishops of the world"
        2. to make the consecration
        3. of Russia
        4. to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
        5. "a solemn act of reparation and consecration of Russia to the Sacred Hearts of Jesus and Mary"
        6. "the promise that upon the ending of this persecution [the persecution of the Church by those following the errors of Russia] he will approve and recommend the practice of the reparatory devotion already described."
    Conditions not fulfilled:
    #3: "of Russia," not "of Russia & Ukraine" (Bergoglio's trying to seem impartial.), nor "of the whole world"
    #5 & #6: What public act of reparation is requested?
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    Re: Was Russia properly consecrated to the Immaculate Heart?
    « Reply #142 on: March 18, 2022, 02:08:43 PM »
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  • Conditions not fulfilled:
    #3: "of Russia," not "of Russia & Ukraine" (Bergoglio's trying to seem impartial.), nor "of the whole world"
    #5 & #6: What public act of reparation is requested?

    You forgot the most glaring one, #1 (in union with all the bishops of the world).


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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #143 on: March 18, 2022, 02:09:25 PM »
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  • He's doing it with the Bishops of the world

    No he's not.  [There's a rumor that] he "intends" to "invite" them to join him.  Even if he follows through on said "intention," you'd probably be lucky to get 20% of them joining in.  That doesn't count as "all the bishops" of the world.

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #144 on: March 18, 2022, 02:15:43 PM »
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  • I kind of wish he would do it with ALL the bishops of the world and ask the entire Church to make public reparation.

    Then when nothing happens, that'll be further proof of his illegitimacy.  In fact, I could then see ...
    1) World War III immediately erupting (or some other catastrophe, like a global economic collapse) OR
    2) God would strike him dead before he has the chance to do it.

    God has thus far allowed him to simulate being the Pope to teach heresy to the entire world, causing scandal to the world by misrepresenting the mind of His Church, so I can't guess whether it would be His will for him to allow the deceptioin to culminate in a fake consecration.

    But we'll get maybe a handful of bishops participating (only due to the political situation), and I'd be shocked if the expression "Immaculate Heart of Mary" shows up in the text of his consecration formula.

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #145 on: March 18, 2022, 02:22:17 PM »
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  • I kind of wish he would do it with ALL the bishops of the world and ask the entire Church to make public reparation.

    Then when nothing happens, that'll be further proof of his illegitimacy.  In fact, I could then see ...
    1) World War III immediately erupting (or some other catastrophe, like a global economic collapse) OR
    2) God would strike him dead before he has the chance to do it.

    God has thus far allowed him to simulate being the Pope to teach heresy to the entire world, causing scandal to the world by misrepresenting the mind of His Church, so I can't guess whether it would be His will for him to allow the deceptioin to culminate in a fake consecration.

    But we'll get maybe a handful of bishops participating (only due to the political situation), and I'd be shocked if the expression "Immaculate Heart of Mary" shows up in the text of his consecration formula.
    One of the things running through my mind is...why are they even doing this if it's meant to be  "THE" Consecration.  Didn't the Vatican say in the past that JPII already did the consecration?


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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #146 on: March 18, 2022, 02:42:32 PM »
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  • One of the things running through my mind is...why are they even doing this if it's meant to be  "THE" Consecration.  Didn't the Vatican say in the past that JPII already did the consecration?

    Yes, this occurred to me also.  It exposes the past Vatican narrative as a lie.  Maybe they think they can do it again?  This is clearly a political exercise to stop the Russian invasion and has nothing to do with the errors of Russia, which Bergoglio (the Commie) heartily endorses and promotes.  First response of Heaven to stop the errors of Russia would be to strike Bergoglio dead with lightning the minute he pronounces the words.

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #147 on: March 18, 2022, 02:46:20 PM »
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  • I kind of wish he would do it with ALL the bishops of the world and ask the entire Church to make public reparation.

    Then when nothing happens, that'll be further proof of his illegitimacy. 

    Of course the other possibility is that he does it as requested, the world converts, and the sedevacantists are proven wrong once and for all. And that is what will happen if he performs the consecration, since without the slightest doubt the sedevacantist are all definitely wrong.  As are the Beneplenists.  Francis is the Pope, and God is about to prove it. 

    The only question in my mind is if nuclear war will happen before next Friday and prevent him from performing the act. 

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #148 on: March 18, 2022, 02:54:43 PM »
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  • Of course the other possibility is that he does it as requested, the world converts, and the sedevacantists are proven wrong once and for all. And that is what will happen if he performs the consecration, since without the slightest doubt the sedevacantist are all definitely wrong.  As are the Beneplenists.  Francis is the Pope, and God is about to prove it. 

    The only question in my mind is if nuclear war will happen before next Friday and prevent him from performing the act.
    And if it doesn't, you'll come up with some sad excuse why it didn't work even though you still believe he is truly pope.  Suddenly it won't fit the bill.

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #149 on: March 18, 2022, 02:56:53 PM »
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  • Francis is the Pope, and God is about to prove it.

    The only question in my mind is if nuclear war will happen before next Friday and prevent him from performing the act.
    :confused:

    Seems rather contradictory, RT. If God intends to demonstrate that Francis is Pope via this consecration, couldn't He prevent a nuclear exchange?