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« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2022, 07:19:09 PM »
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  • And why the thumb down?  The language is associated with non Christian religions. 

    Christianity is struggling enough with American communist financed abortion and mortal sin in Ireland. 






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    « Reply #2 on: March 28, 2022, 07:27:51 PM »
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  • https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-28755509
    Why is Sanskrit so controversial?

    By Sanjoy Majumder
    BBC News, Delhi

    Published13 August 2014

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    Hindi script on a blackboard in a classroom in IndiaIMAGE SOURCE,AFP
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    Many Indian languages, including Marathi, originate from Sanskrit

    India's new government focus on Sanskrit has sparked a fresh debate over the role language plays in the lives of the country's religious and linguistic minorities.
    Inside a brightly lit classroom at Delhi's Laxman Public school, a group of students sing a Sanskrit hymn.
    Across the corridor, in another classroom, a group of grade eight students are being taught Vedic Mathematics, which dates back to a time in ancient India when Sanskrit was the main language used by scholars.
    It is all part of Sanskrit week - a celebration of the classical language across hundreds of schools mandated by India's new federal right-wing government.
    "It's our mother language, the root of all our languages," says Usha Ram, the school principal.
    "All over the world people try to preserve their traditions. Why not in India?"

    Sanskrit is a language which belongs to the Indo-Aryan group and is the root of many, but not all Indian languages.
    "If you know Sanskrit, you can easily understand many Indian languages such as Hindi, Bengali and Marathi," says Vaishnav, a grade 11 student at Laxman Public School.
    But Sanskrit is now spoken by less than 1% of Indians and is mostly used by Hindu priests during religious ceremonies.
    It's one of the official languages in only one Indian state, Uttarakhand in the north, which is dotted with historical Hindu temple towns.
    According to the last census, 14,000 people described Sanskrit as their primary language, with almost no speakers in the country's north-east, Orissa, Jammu and Kashmir, Tamil Nadu, Kerala and even Gujarat.
    Children learn Sanskrit in classroom
    Image caption,
    The government has encouraged schools to take part in reading, writing and speaking activities for Sanskrit week.

    Teacher gives a Sanskrit lesson
    Image caption,
    Sanskrit is offered as an optional language in schools in India

    In schools, it is only offered as an optional language, with most students preferring to choose more relevant languages, including French, German and even Mandarin, which are seen as more appropriate in a globalised world.

    It is also often taught very badly. Like many Indians, I studied Sanskrit in high school. But place a text in front of me and it is barely comprehensible.
    But reviving the ancient language, which is so closely linked to Hinduism and Hindu religious texts, has always been a pet project for the BJP, the right-wing party that leads the new Indian government.
    In May, several of its new cabinet ministers chose to take their oath of office in Sanskrit.
    Children learn to write in English in IndiaIMAGE SOURCE,AFP
    Image caption,
    Many children choose to learn other languages

    Indian Muslim reading from the holy bookIMAGE SOURCE,AFP
    Image caption,
    Muslims in India choose to learn Arabic

    "Sanskrit and Indian culture are intertwined as most of the indigenous knowledge is available in this language," says a government leaflet sent out ordering schools to observe Sanskrit week.
    But it is precisely this fusion that is stirring up a new controversy in a country where language politics has always been an emotive and sensitive issue.
    It is being opposed most strongly by politicians from the southern state of Tamil Nadu.

    The Tamil language is not derived from Sanskrit and many there see the promotion of the language as a move by Hindu nationalist groups to impose their culture on religious and linguistic minorities.
    "We want an inclusive India, a secular India, an India that belongs to everybody," says Kanimozhi, a Tamil member of parliament from the regional DMK party.
    But this is an argument that is heavily contested.
    "People have a misunderstanding that it is the language of the Hindus," says Markandaya Katju, a retired Supreme Court Judge.
    "Ninety-five per cent of Sanskrit literature has nothing to do with religion."
    It's a debate that's unlikely to end any time soon in a country which boasts of several hundred languages and dialects.
    And while the government says it has no hidden agenda, there are some who wonder if the motive is to educate or to indoctrinate young minds.


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    Re: Sanskrit taught in Ireland
    « Reply #3 on: March 28, 2022, 07:36:23 PM »
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  • https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-28755509
    Why is Sanskrit so controversial?

    By Sanjoy Majumder
    BBC News, Delhi

    Published13 August 2014

    Share

    Hindi script on a blackboard in a classroom in IndiaIMAGE SOURCE,AFP
    Image caption,
    Many Indian languages, including Marathi, originate from Sanskrit

    India's new government focus on Sanskrit has sparked a fresh debate over the role language plays in the lives of the country's religious and linguistic minorities.
    Inside a brightly lit classroom at Delhi's Laxman Public school, a group of students sing a Sanskrit hymn.
    Across the corridor, in another classroom, a group of grade eight students are being taught Vedic Mathematics, which dates back to a time in ancient India when Sanskrit was the main language used by scholars.
    It is all part of Sanskrit week - a celebration of the classical language across hundreds of schools mandated by India's new federal right-wing government.
    "It's our mother language, the root of all our languages," says Usha Ram, the school principal.
    "All over the world people try to preserve their traditions. Why not in India?"

    Sanskrit is a language which belongs to the Indo-Aryan group and is the root of many, but not all Indian languages.
    "If you know Sanskrit, you can easily understand many Indian languages such as Hindi, Bengali and Marathi," says Vaishnav, a grade 11 student at Laxman Public School.
    But Sanskrit is now spoken by less than 1% of Indians and is mostly used by Hindu priests during religious ceremonies.
    It's one of the official languages in only one Indian state, Uttarakhand in the north, which is dotted with historical Hindu temple towns.
    According to the last census, 14,000 people described Sanskrit as their primary language, with almost no speakers in the country's north-east, Orissa, Jammu and Kashmir, Tamil Nadu, Kerala and even Gujarat.
    Children learn Sanskrit in classroom
    Image caption,
    The government has encouraged schools to take part in reading, writing and speaking activities for Sanskrit week.

    Teacher gives a Sanskrit lesson
    Image caption,
    Sanskrit is offered as an optional language in schools in India

    In schools, it is only offered as an optional language, with most students preferring to choose more relevant languages, including French, German and even Mandarin, which are seen as more appropriate in a globalised world.

    It is also often taught very badly. Like many Indians, I studied Sanskrit in high school. But place a text in front of me and it is barely comprehensible.
    But reviving the ancient language, which is so closely linked to Hinduism and Hindu religious texts, has always been a pet project for the BJP, the right-wing party that leads the new Indian government.
    In May, several of its new cabinet ministers chose to take their oath of office in Sanskrit.
    Children learn to write in English in IndiaIMAGE SOURCE,AFP
    Image caption,
    Many children choose to learn other languages

    Indian Muslim reading from the holy bookIMAGE SOURCE,AFP
    Image caption,
    Muslims in India choose to learn Arabic

    "Sanskrit and Indian culture are intertwined as most of the indigenous knowledge is available in this language," says a government leaflet sent out ordering schools to observe Sanskrit week.
    But it is precisely this fusion that is stirring up a new controversy in a country where language politics has always been an emotive and sensitive issue.
    It is being opposed most strongly by politicians from the southern state of Tamil Nadu.

    The Tamil language is not derived from Sanskrit and many there see the promotion of the language as a move by Hindu nationalist groups to impose their culture on religious and linguistic minorities.
    "We want an inclusive India, a secular India, an India that belongs to everybody," says Kanimozhi, a Tamil member of parliament from the regional DMK party.
    But this is an argument that is heavily contested.
    "People have a misunderstanding that it is the language of the Hindus," says Markandaya Katju, a retired Supreme Court Judge.
    "Ninety-five per cent of Sanskrit literature has nothing to do with religion."
    It's a debate that's unlikely to end any time soon in a country which boasts of several hundred languages and dialects.
    And while the government says it has no hidden agenda, there are some who wonder if the motive is to educate or to indoctrinate young minds.
    Yes. Sanskrit was at one point a vernacular that had nothing to do with religion... just like Latin and many other languages of prominence at one point.
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    Re: Sanskrit taught in Ireland
    « Reply #4 on: March 28, 2022, 08:31:43 PM »
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  • Yes. Sanskrit was at one point a vernacular that had nothing to do with religion... just like Latin and many other languages of prominence at one point.
    Right, and it expands the child's mind to be exposed to different languages, even moreso different scripts.
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    Re: Sanskrit taught in Ireland
    « Reply #5 on: March 29, 2022, 06:05:30 AM »
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  • I think children in Ireland should learn Irish, English and even Latin.  Many young college students already are pro abortion and same sex marriage.  Many young Irish reject Christian already. 

    When young Christians are taught different languages , it exposes them to religion and culture of that language. 

    Sanskrit is from ancient Hinduism.  Hinduism is paganism with various gods and goddesses. 

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    Re: Sanskrit taught in Ireland
    « Reply #6 on: March 29, 2022, 06:22:53 AM »
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  • Viva, you do know there are very devout Catholics and “christians” in India, right?  As a child my best friend was half Indian, so I learned some Malayalam.  Another friend was Jєωιѕн so I learned basic Hebrew—-the alphabet and such, not conversational, also, I learned some Yiddish from her grandmother and mother.  I didn’t become Hindu or Jєωιѕн or have any attraction towards doing so.  Then again, in my home, Sunday Mass attendance wasn’t a requirement, it was just assumed!  If we children had overnight guests, they came with us to Mass unless their parents made other arrangements.  Only one became Catholic, but that’s because she married a Catholic, not because she went to Mass a handful of times with my family. (Sheryl’s family were what was known as C & E Methodists; Christmas and Easter!)  

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    Re: Sanskrit taught in Ireland
    « Reply #7 on: March 29, 2022, 07:40:45 AM »
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  • Viva, you do know there are very devout Catholics and “christians” in India, right?  As a child my best friend was half Indian, so I learned some Malayalam.  Another friend was Jєωιѕн so I learned basic Hebrew—-the alphabet and such, not conversational, also, I learned some Yiddish from her grandmother and mother.  I didn’t become Hindu or Jєωιѕн or have any attraction towards doing so.  Then again, in my home, Sunday Mass attendance wasn’t a requirement, it was just assumed!  If we children had overnight guests, they came with us to Mass unless their parents made other arrangements.  Only one became Catholic, but that’s because she married a Catholic, not because she went to Mass a handful of times with my family. (Sheryl’s family were what was known as C & E Methodists; Christmas and Easter!) 
    That’s you. You were a strong Christian.  That was in America; not Ireland.  Most of Ireland was Christian until communist money from America started coming in during early 1990’s.  Most young people aren’t strong in their faith.  Globally , most Catholics don’t know  even know their Catholic faith. Their Catholic culture is being erased and replaced with yoga, budaism, earth worship, witchcraft etc.  why are so many greedy anti Catholics invading Ireland? Answer: to erase Catholicism and Protestantism.

    Ireland is for the Irish!
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    Re: Sanskrit taught in Ireland
    « Reply #8 on: March 29, 2022, 09:07:21 AM »
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  • My personal opinion is that Irish Gaelic should be taught in Ireland in order to revive both the language and the culture.  Everyone should learn it whether Irish by birth or from an immigrant family to Ireland.  It makes a lot more sense than learning Sanskrit as a sort of overall requirement in public school.  If a school, especially high school and up wants to offer Sanskrit as an elective because there is someone fluent in it and able to teach it, no problem.

    The school where I once taught had Spanish class once a week for grades K-5, and then options for middle school, grades 6-8.  They could continue in Spanish, or take Latin, Korean, Chinese, or French.  Everyone in grades 6-8 was required to take a language which were taught three periods per week.  Most eighth graders then took the NYS Regents exam for second year high school at the end of year.  Those who passed with 85% or higher received high school credit and could go on to take advanced placement in first year high school or to learn another language.  Latin was recommended for students looking to enter professions such as medicine, education, the sciences, and law. Those wanting to enter a trade or civil service jobs were recommended to take one of the spoken languages.  For those interested in the corporate or business world, Chinese was recommended. 

    As for Ireland for the Irish, the only way for that to happen is for the Irish to stop leaving and start having lots of babies.  The Irish who left or were driven out, or rather shipped out, could return and take over, provided they’ve kept the culture and the Catholic Faith alive!  Somehow, with the state of the world right now, I don’t see the latter happening anytime soon. Just my impression, but there are more Irish living as Irish, practicing Catholics, in the US than in Ireland!  

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    Re: Sanskrit taught in Ireland
    « Reply #9 on: March 29, 2022, 09:36:35 AM »
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  • They do teach Irish in Ireland and have been for decades -- it's part of their secondary school exit exams. But like most languages in the Anglophone world, it's taught horribly. Unless you go to certain parts of Ireland or a school that teaches in Irish, you don't really learn anything.
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    Re: Sanskrit taught in Ireland
    « Reply #10 on: March 29, 2022, 09:45:22 AM »
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  • Instead of teaching languages in USA, they should be teaching God, the Bible, cursive etc.  Most  college students are uneducated and brainwashed to be communists.  What good is learning a language when these children aren’t taught about Christianity??

    In Ireland, they really don’t want to teach the Irish language. Their goal is to corrupt the nation.  
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    « Reply #11 on: March 29, 2022, 10:19:03 AM »
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  • Instead of teaching languages in USA, they should be teaching God, the Bible, cursive etc.  Most  college students are uneducated and brainwashed to be communists.  What good is learning a language when these children aren’t taught about Christianity??

    In Ireland, they really don’t want to teach the Irish language. Their goal is to corrupt the nation. 
    You can teach languages in the USA AND teach the Faith. My old SSPX church/school taught Latin
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    « Reply #12 on: March 29, 2022, 01:53:06 PM »
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  • Public schools in the US will never teach “Christianity” or the Bible.  Which Christianity?  Catholic, Baptist, Pentecostal?  And which Bible?  King James, New International, Duoay Rheims?  A truly Christian country is Catholic, nothing else.  
    I’m not sure where teaching cursive fits in except to say that teaching English is teaching other languages as teaching to print is to teaching cursive.
    While I believe everyone should master cursive, it isn’t particular to Christianity. Some foreign languages like English have printed and cursive forms, others have only one form.  

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  • Public schools in the US will never teach “Christianity” or the Bible.  Which Christianity?  Catholic, Baptist, Pentecostal?  And which Bible?  King James, New International, Duoay Rheims?  A truly Christian country is Catholic, nothing else. 
    I’m not sure where teaching cursive fits in except to say that teaching English is teaching other languages as teaching to print is to teaching cursive.
    While I believe everyone should master cursive, it isn’t particular to Christianity. Some foreign languages like English have printed and cursive forms, others have only one form. 
    They couldn't teach Christianity or the Bible in a public school without giving favor to other religions. Establishment Clause of the Constitution. 

    Here is one such case argued before the Supreme Court in 1962.
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