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Offline Shrewd Operator

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Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
« Reply #60 on: March 15, 2022, 07:11:00 PM »
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    • Emile,

    I have to say,

    That Red October Meme is one of the best I've ever seen.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #61 on: March 15, 2022, 08:05:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: josefamenendez on March 15, 2022, 05:33:24 PM
    (Assuming Benedict was a real Pope....)
    Re: All of the Bishops in the world- there really aren't as many as most think- All of the Bishops consecrated after 1968 in the new rite would have a real problem.
    How many Traditionally consecrated Bishops ,(consecrated by a real Bishop) are there?
    Benedict was ordained a true Priest before 1968 so possibly he could be a real Pope (Siri dead in 1987 so Bene may have had a valid conclave), but Bergoglio wasn't even validly ordained as a priest (1969 NO)- Maybe there is a possibility if Benedict somehow stepped in miraculously and true Bishops complied.

    Even then, I don't think that Benedict's mere "visilble presence" would suffice.  He's have to actually perform the consecration.  There are some valid Eastern Rite bishops, and they would have to participate as well.
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #62 on: March 15, 2022, 08:07:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: Emile on March 15, 2022, 05:53:45 PM
    I'm afraid I have to concur with your assessment, 2V.



    :laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh1:
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #63 on: March 15, 2022, 08:10:20 PM »
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #64 on: March 15, 2022, 08:18:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on March 15, 2022, 08:10:20 PM
    Novus Ordo Watch weighing in:
    https://novusordowatch.org/2022/03/francis-to-consecrate-russia-and-ukraine/

    As expected.  Not sure if they believe that the Pius XII consecration "counted" ... as the Dimonds do.

    One thing I never noticed before about the Pius XII consecration.  He consecrated the "peoples of Russia" ... and not "Russia".

    There's a difference between the nation itself and the peoples of a nation (as we have seen amply demonstrated all these years).

    WHY can't these popes to PRECISELY as Our Blessed Mother asked? 
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #65 on: March 15, 2022, 08:24:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: Shrewd Operator on March 15, 2022, 07:11:00 PM
    Emile,

    I have to say,

    That Red October Meme is one of the best I've ever seen.
    Thanks, Shrewd. I was wondering if anyone would remember where it was from.
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #66 on: March 15, 2022, 08:54:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 15, 2022, 08:05:48 PM
    Even then, I don't think that Benedict's mere "visilble presence" would suffice.  He's have to actually perform the consecration.  There are some valid Eastern Rite bishops, and they would have to participate as well.
    Yes, of course . B16 would actually have to do the consecration , if indeed he was (is) a legitimate Pope.
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #67 on: March 15, 2022, 09:48:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 15, 2022, 08:05:48 PM
    Even then, I don't think that Benedict's mere "visilble presence" would suffice.  He's have to actually perform the consecration.  There are some valid Eastern Rite bishops, and they would have to participate as well.

    But if he is indeed a bishop, then he would have to be part of the collegial consecration.  Did Our Lady mean "only diocesan ordinary bishops" or did she mean every Catholic bishop, even retired, co-adjutor, auxiliary, and so on?  Does anybody know?
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #68 on: March 15, 2022, 09:50:08 PM »
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    • If I had to guess, I'd say he is consecrating both Russia and Ukraine to keep from appearing to take sides.  And certainly Putin regards Ukraine as part of Russia.

    I don't suppose he's going to throw in Belarus, for the sake of completeness.  According to Russian thinking, all three make up "Russia" proper.
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #69 on: March 15, 2022, 09:50:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on March 15, 2022, 09:48:33 PM
    But if he is indeed a bishop, then he would have to be part of the collegial consecration.  Did Our Lady mean "only diocesan ordinary bishops" or did she mean every Catholic bishop, even retired, co-adjutor, auxiliary, and so on?  Does anybody know?
    Our Lady said the following, June 13, 1929:

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    The moment has come when God asks the Holy Father to make, in union with all the bishops of the world, the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart, promising to save it by this means.

    She didn't specify.
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #70 on: March 15, 2022, 09:54:53 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on March 15, 2022, 09:50:40 PM
    Our Lady said the following, June 13, 1929:

    She didn't specify.
    I would then take "all" literally.

    Just thinking out loud, do you suppose Bishops Williamson, Faure, Zendejas, et al, will participate?  So far as I'm aware, they're not sedevacantists.
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #71 on: March 15, 2022, 10:24:01 PM »
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    • I wonder if the SSPX is going to perform their own consecration in union of Jorge. They got nothing to lose. If peace happens, then they look very providential. If no peace, then they  get another gold star from Jorge.
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #72 on: March 16, 2022, 04:38:38 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 15, 2022, 08:18:13 PM
    As expected.  Not sure if they believe that the Pius XII consecration "counted" ... as the Dimonds do.

    NOW's article repeatedly referred to the fact that Our Lady asked "in union with all of the bishops", and even emphasized it in Her words.  They were quite clear that that did not happen with Pius XII.  I think the point is that if doing it without the bishops is going to be considered a true consecration, then it was already done.  NOW isn't saying it is already done.  
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #73 on: March 16, 2022, 06:54:58 AM »
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    • The antipope, Jorge Bergoglio, won't effect any positive change to Russia by his "consecration".
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #74 on: March 16, 2022, 07:03:07 AM »
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    I think the point is that if doing it without the bishops is going to be considered a true consecration
    I hope nobody on this site thinks that a consecration without all the bishops is legit.  Only the fake/indult crowd would go along with that. 
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