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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
« Reply #45 on: March 15, 2022, 05:04:48 PM »
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    • Lots of conservative Conciliarists believe that the 1991 "fall" of the Soviet Union and Iron Curtain were the result of Wojtyla's consecration.  Dimonds believe that it was caused by the Pius XII consecration.

    I don't believe either.  I believe that God's intent here is for there to be such an obvious, immediate, and dramatic effect so that the entire world will almost be forced to acknowledge her intercession as well as the papacy and the Catholic Church in general.  That will coincide with the Triump / Restoration of the Church.

    For all we know, Bergoglio got tipped off by his Globhomo buddies that Russia intends to withdraw from Ukraine on March 25th or March 26th, so that Berogoglio could take credit for it.

    But unless Bergoglio converts and restores the Traditional Church, abolishes Vatican II, etc. etc. ... it won't be a genuine consecration accepted by God and Our Lady.  Third Secret of Fatima was about the "apostasy that begins at the top", and not merely about wars.
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #46 on: March 15, 2022, 05:07:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on March 15, 2022, 05:04:12 PM
    Tin foil theory: Francis's NWO handlers told him to do a "consecration" so that it corresponds with the next phase of their contrived Russia v. Ukraine conflict. A false sign is performed, and the elect are deceived as World War III has miraculously been averted!

    "For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect."
    [Matthew 24:24]

    Edit: I see Mark is on the same page! :laugh1:

    You beat me to it by one minute [EDIT:  more like 30 seconds], and 2Vermont also hinted at this scenario.

    That's why, as I said above, unless there's a conversion of Bergoglio and restoration of the Traditional Church, there will have been no consecration accepted by God and Our Lady.
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #47 on: March 15, 2022, 05:07:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 15, 2022, 05:04:48 PM
    Lots of conservative Conciliarists believe that the 1991 "fall" of the Soviet Union and Iron Curtain were the result of Wojtyla's consecration.  Dimonds believe that it was caused by the Pius XII consecration.
    Anyone who believes that the "fall" of the Soviet Union was anything but the opening of the floodgates for Communism in the West is utterly naive at this point.

    Quote from: Ladislaus on March 15, 2022, 05:07:09 PM
    You beat me to it by one minute, and 2Vermont also hinted at this scenario.

    That's why, as I said above, unless there's a conversion of Bergoglio and restoration of the Traditional Church, there will have been no consecration accepted by God and Our Lady.
    Yes indeed. I'm holding out hope that he is in the motions of making some miraculous conversion to Catholic tradition. But, again, I won't hold my breath.
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #48 on: March 15, 2022, 05:09:56 PM »
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    • Ann B: The Consecration of Russia must be done BY THE POPE. Antipope Bergoglio isn’t the Pope, never was and never will be. For Antipope Bergoglio to ape the Consecration of Russia would be worse than doing nothing. Pope Benedict MUST BE VISIBLY PRESENT.

    "If Antipope Bergoglio apes the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary and Pope Benedict IS NOT THERE VISIBLY PRESENT, not only will it be invalid, it will be a satanic aping of the Consecration, and one should expect nuclear war to be the eventual result."
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #49 on: March 15, 2022, 05:12:02 PM »
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    • No doubt the news that Pope Francis is to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary will go world-wide. Fatima will once again come under the attention of the world. Indeed, Catholicism itself will be on display to the world. The very credibility of Catholicism and Fatima will be put to the test. A simple cease-fire agreement will not suffice as a miracle. It will need something 'miraculous' to convince people that there was divine intervention. What that must be who knows. Here then, Francis is putting Catholicism to the test. If it works, conversions will result. If it doesn't it will result in some losing faith in Fatima and even Catholicism itself. As we see already on this subject some are already giving reasons why it wont work, in case it doesn't, but if it did then there will be a lot to discuss about as already seen on this subject. 
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #50 on: March 15, 2022, 05:14:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: cassini on March 15, 2022, 05:12:02 PM
    No doubt the news that Pope Francis is to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary will go world-wide. Fatima will once again come under the attention of the world. Indeed, Catholicism itself will be on display to the world. The very credibility of Catholicism and Fatima will be put to the test. A simple cease-fire agreement will not suffice as a miracle. It will need something 'miraculous' to convince people that there was divine intervention. What that must be who knows. Here then, Francis is putting Catholicism to the test. If it works, conversions will result. If it doesn't it will result in some losing faith in Fatima and even Catholicism itself. As we see already on this subject some are already giving reasons why it wont work, in case it doesn't, but if it did then there will be a lot to discuss about as already seen on this subject.

    Those who would be deceived will buy into the "cease-fire agreement".  Traditional Catholics expect much more from Our Blessed Mother, because we don't sell her short.
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #51 on: March 15, 2022, 05:15:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 15, 2022, 05:14:06 PM
    Those who would be deceived will buy into the "cease-fire agreement".  Traditional Catholics expect much more from Our Blessed Mother, because we don't sell her short.
    The greatest miracle would be the death of Bergoglio and the succession of an orthodox Pope.
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    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #52 on: March 15, 2022, 05:16:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Bonaventure on March 15, 2022, 05:09:56 PM
    Ann B: The Consecration of Russia must be done BY THE POPE. Antipope Bergoglio isn’t the Pope, never was and never will be. For Antipope Bergoglio to ape the Consecration of Russia would be worse than doing nothing. Pope Benedict MUST BE VISIBLY PRESENT.

    "If Antipope Bergoglio apes the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary and Pope Benedict IS NOT THERE VISIBLY PRESENT, not only will it be invalid, it will be a satanic aping of the Consecration, and one should expect nuclear war to be the eventual result."

    No, Ann, his mere visible presence wouldn't suffice, nor would a consecration done without all the bishops of the world participating.
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #53 on: March 15, 2022, 05:17:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on March 15, 2022, 05:15:22 PM
    The greatest miracle would be the death of Bergoglio and the succession of an orthodox Pope.

    Absolutely.  Or, alternatively, a miraculous conversion of Bergoglio.  Honestly, a conversion of Bergoglio into a St.-Pius-X-caliber pope would be a bigger miracle than the instant conversion of Russia to the Catholic faith.

    I don't believe that Our Lady chose June 13, 1929 on accident while mentioning the Kings of France (who were deposed 100 years to the day that the Sacred Heart requested the consecration of France).

    I believe that the 100 years will pass and a great chastisement will ensue on June 13, 2029.
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #54 on: March 15, 2022, 05:22:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on March 15, 2022, 04:24:52 PM
    These are photos from 1967!








    Note both the impostor Lucy and the obviously altered image of Montini's hands.
    yeah- the original photo had no Sister Lucy ll in it- they cut and pasted her in
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #55 on: March 15, 2022, 05:33:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: cassini on March 15, 2022, 05:12:02 PM
    No doubt the news that Pope Francis is to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary will go world-wide. Fatima will once again come under the attention of the world. Indeed, Catholicism itself will be on display to the world. The very credibility of Catholicism and Fatima will be put to the test. A simple cease-fire agreement will not suffice as a miracle. It will need something 'miraculous' to convince people that there was divine intervention. What that must be who knows. Here then, Francis is putting Catholicism to the test. If it works, conversions will result. If it doesn't it will result in some losing faith in Fatima and even Catholicism itself. As we see already on this subject some are already giving reasons why it wont work, in case it doesn't, but if it did then there will be a lot to discuss about as already seen on this subject.
    Indeed he is.  Which is why he *knows* it won't work.
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #56 on: March 15, 2022, 05:33:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 15, 2022, 05:16:09 PM
    No, Ann, his mere visible presence wouldn't suffice, nor would a consecration done without all the bishops of the world participating.
    (Assuming Benedict was a real Pope....)
    Re: All of the Bishops in the world- there really aren't as many as most think- All of the Bishops consecrated after 1968 in the new rite would have a real problem.
    How many Traditionally consecrated Bishops ,(consecrated by a real Bishop) are there?
    Benedict was ordained a true Priest before 1968 so possibly he could be a real Pope (Siri dead in 1987 so Bene may have had a valid conclave), but Bergoglio wasn't even validly ordained as a priest (1969 NO)- Maybe there is a possibility if Benedict somehow stepped in miraculously and true Bishops complied.
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #57 on: March 15, 2022, 05:37:19 PM »
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    • If Bergoglio is the pope he should be commanding/ordering the bishops under the pain of excommunication to obey him and not inviting them if indeed he does actually invite any of them to join him.

    If your home is being invaded you don't invite the one invading to leave.  Does the policeman invite the person committing a heinous crime to refrain from his act or does he order him to stop?  The examples are endless.  This business of Consecration by invitation is ludicrous.  Reminds me of the 10 Commandments being presented as the 10 Suggestions or 10 Invitations to not do this or nor do that.  It's like the Field Marshal turning to his Generals and inviting them to join him in the battle, knowing ahead of time that a good number of them would not likely be willing to comply with an invitation.



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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #58 on: March 15, 2022, 05:42:42 PM »
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #59 on: March 15, 2022, 05:53:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on March 15, 2022, 02:56:20 PM
    Nah, it's much more likely that he thinks this will put him in good graces with those who question his authority.

    I'm not buying this for one second.
    I'm afraid I have to concur with your assessment, 2V.

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