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Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
« Reply #270 on: March 24, 2022, 07:23:50 AM »
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  • That's not at all what I got out of it. I'm pretty sure what you're planning on doing is exactly what he was calling Catholics to do. Not to join in with Bergoglio's intentions or New-church. You yourself are "joining your voice" to those with the Catholic Faith in petitioning Our Mother's intercession contra the "Bergoglian-Globalists"

    No, I disagree.  If that's what he meant, he expressed it very badly and that's not what his text says.  We are not in any way joining our voices with this Anti-consecration, but in opposition to it.  As Bergoglio and the world cry for the freedom of Barrabas, we cry out in OPPOSITION for the freedom of Jesus.  All these voices are NOT crying out to Our Lady, but are crying out AGAINST HER, desiring a peace that brings with it the freedom to spread error and to keep Christ the King shackled and off His throne.

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #271 on: March 24, 2022, 08:59:12 AM »
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  • "Hope" here seems like a willingness to be deceived.

    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #272 on: March 24, 2022, 11:39:08 AM »
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  • I heard some time ago, before the war, it was Putin who asked for Russia to be consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Is there any truth in this.

    I am going to my Latin Mass tomorrow and I will pray, on the anaversary of his death, that Archbishoop Lefebvre is made a saint some day. My wouldn't that bring a lot back to the Tridentine Mass? I will also pray my late wife has met the Archbishop in Heaven. She read a book about him before she died in January and told me few know how blessed a priest he was. To meet him would be heaven to her.

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #273 on: March 24, 2022, 12:02:55 PM »
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #274 on: March 24, 2022, 12:37:49 PM »
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  • I heard some time ago, before the war, it was Putin who asked for Russia to be consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Is there any truth in this.

    This was a story told by Father Kramer.  Of course, Father Kramer has told quite a few such stories, including one where WWIII was supposed to start in 2008.

    As of now, I can't find any other source for this.
    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2u2k9t


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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #275 on: March 24, 2022, 01:04:04 PM »
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  • This was a story told by Father Kramer.  Of course, Father Kramer has told quite a few such stories, including one where WWIII was supposed to start in 2008.

    As of now, I can't find any other source for this.
    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2u2k9t

    My that is a great video. Watch it everybody, it fits exactly into the La Salette prophesy, 'Rome shall become the seat of the anti-christ.'

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #276 on: March 24, 2022, 01:05:20 PM »
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  • FWIW



    https://garabandalnews.org/2021/09/08/fr-gruners-letter-about-his-meeting-with-the-russians-online/
    Fr. Gruner’s letter About his meeting with The Russians online ! Update
    By Aviso 09/08/2021

    09 July 2019

    [color=var(--color-text)]Source : From one of Fr. Gruner’s Benefactors [/color]


    I Happen to know one of Fr.Gruner’s benefactors who gave me a copy of a special report sent to him from Fr. Gruner which gives additional details of this aforementioned event at the Ambassy.
    Considering Fr. Gruner’s recent passing away and the fact that the world is running out of time before the commencement of the Chastisements, I feel it is an opportune time and a benefit to those interested in the Fatima message to make known some of these details.
    Here is a copy of part of the Letter :


                                                                               

    March 05, 2014
    Ash Wednesday
    Dear [name omitted] :
    The time has come to tell you things that I have had to keep secret until now. […]
    Things have been happening behind the scenes. No sooner had I returned from Rome after our attempt to make the papally promised (but unfulfilled) October 13, 2013 consecration of the world to the Immaculate Heart a consecration of Russia, then I had to go back to Rome. why ?
    Our office in Rome received a phone call – from the Russian Embassy!
    The Russian official let it be known, in that roundabout language that diplomats use, that the Russians wanted to meet with me! He said that if I were in Rome, the embassy would welcome a visit from me.
    When I found out, I wondered what it could mean.
    I knew that in a few weeks time, Vladimir Putin was to meet with Pope Francis in Rome. Could the call and the meeting be connected?
    I wondered what should I do, [name omitted]?
    I was tired from my recent travels and the demands that our campaign in Rome had made upon my energy. I am 71 and not quite as resilient as I once was.
    The apostolate was also broke from our Rome campaign and all the costs of printing and distributing 200,000 copies of L’Osservatore Fatima and our other publicity. We had no money left for such travel.
    I always want to be able to respond to the opportunities Our Lady offer us, but I also have to look at our bank account and measure what we want to do against what we are able to pay for.
    So I did not act immediately. I also wondered how important such a meeting might be? Would the expense be justified and where would the money come from?
    THEN, OUR OFFICE RECEIVED A SECOND UNUSUAL PHONE CALL – THIS TIME FROM A VATICAN CARDINAL!
    Somehow, through diplomatic channels, he had learned the Russians had approached me. This Cardinal has shown his support for our apostolate in the past. I knew him as a trusted friend.
    THE CARDINAL URGED ME TO MEET WITH THE RUSSIANS WITHOUT DELAY!
    I have never refused an opportunity to serve our Lady and make her Message known and obeyed. And now, it appeared plainly, an opportunity was being placed before me. Of course I went!
    It is a bit intimidating to meet with powerful people and not always easy to read their expressions and know what is in their minds. And diplomats have their own coded language that is not always easy to decipher.
    Still [name omitted], I went, a priest whose only claim to fame is an apostolate that has struggled for almost 36 years to keep its financial head above water so that the Message of our Lady of Fatima can be know in its fullness – and obeyed!
    I sat facing a high ranking representative of one of the most powerful nations on Earth – Russia, the nation specifically mentioned by our Lady of Fatima Prophecies – and I did what I have always done :
    I repeated Her Message and Her Promises.
    This was apparently why I had been asked to see them.
    THE RUSSIAN EMBASSY WANTED TO KNOW-THE TRUE MESSAGE OF FATIMA!
    You might wonder : The Russians were in Rome – The seat of governance for the worldwide Catholic Church, with several pontifical universities, numerous scholars, scores of priests, bishops and Cardinals.
    They had many sources of information available to them; many highly placed Church officials they could have consulted. BUT-
    THE RUSSIANS TRUSTED THE FATIMA CENTER TO TELL THEM THE TRUTH!
    And it was obvious to our Vatican based Cardinal that they wanted to hear it from me before the Russian President Vladimir Putin met with Pope Francis on Nov. 25!
    I told the Russians what our Lady told us, though the seers in 1917, and in later messages given through Sister Lucy. I told them that the Pope and bishops had been requested to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
    THE RUSSIANS LISTENED.
    I told them that if this were done, Our Lady promised that Russia would be converted and a period of peace granted to the world.
    THE RUSSIANS LISTENED.
    I told them of Our Apostolate, of our decades of work, of our attempt to have the Pope and bishops do as our Lady asked, and the long history of disobedience to Her requests. And I told them of the terrible consequences of continued disobedience.
    THE RUSSIANS LISTENED.
    Why, I wonder, will not the leaders of the Catholic Church listen? If only I could sit down with the Holy Father and speak to him as I spoke to the Russians!
    IF ONLY THE VATICAN WOULD LISTEN!
    What came of my interview with the Russian officials?
    I cannot say for certain. Vladimir Putin did meet of Pope Francis on November 25, 2013. He brought an Icon of our Lady as a gift, which both he and the Holy Father kissed before their talk commenced.
    So we know this much [name omitted]: the meeting began with an act of reverence toward Our Lady. Her grace, Her presence was invoked. Can Her grace ever fail?
    And although we do not know all of what was said, we know that peace was the mean topic. And we know that the Russians President must have been briefed by the Embassy officials in Rome before the meeting. What did they tell him about Fatima?
    Busy, important people do not waste their time on frivolous interviews. If the Russians went out of their way to arrange an interview with me, they must have had their reasons for choosing to speak with me rather than the Vatican Secretary of State’s office.
    How did they know about me, about our apostolate and our office in Rome? Just weeks before, we had been in Rome campaigning for the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. As part of that campaign:
    We hired trotters – billboards on trucks – to travel about Rome calling for the consecration of Russia on Oct. 13, as our Lady of Fatima specified. Much of Rome saw the billboards along with 1000s of our posters.
    We printed and distributed 200,000 copies of L’Osservatore Fatima throughout Rome – to businesses, homes, apartments, on the street, in St. Peter’s Square.
    We published a four-page advertorial calling for the consecration of Russia in Il Tempo – a large daily newspaper in Rome that was doubtless seen by 100s of 1000s of people.
    I was interviewed by Oggi, the most popular news magazine in Italy which published an article about our mission in Rome!
    We worked our personal contacts in Rome! We spoke to clergy, to bishops, to media people, to everyone and anyone who was willing to listen!
    WE MADE ROME FATIMA – CONSCIOUS!
    But in the end, the consecration did not take place. In fact, I was detained by Vatican security and questioned when I came to St. Peter’s Square. No less than the head of Vatican security told me not to go near the Pope!
    So we know the Vatican was aware of our Presence. How could they not be? And we know the anti-Fatima forces were still in positions of power in the Vatican. That may explain why the promised consecration became a weak act of “entrustment.”
    Not only was Russia not mentioned. The world was not mentioned! The Pope’s plans had been derailed – by whom and for what reason, we do not yet know. But something went wrong!
    [Name omitted], my disappointment was great. I’ll admit. I felt heartsick. Another opportunity lost! How much longer can we delay the consecration before the most unthinkable chastisements unfold, I asked myself?
    And, of course, I had to deal with the tremendous expense of our campaign. We were deep in the red. Had it been worth it? What did we accomplish, I wondered?
    Then, the Russians called!
    The Russians had noticed our campaign. They were watching to see what the Vatican would do. And they thought it important to learn all they could about the truth of Fatima before the President of Russia met with the Vicar of Christ!
    Now, the Kremlin is Fatima-conscious!
    Vladimir Putin is Fatima-conscious!
    Where will it all lead? Eventually, we know, it will lead to the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary by the Pope and the bishops.
    Eventually, it will lead to the conversion of Russia and world peace. Our Lady has promised. We have Heaven’s word!
    What role we will have played in this great drama is not for me to say. I have no way of knowing precisely. But I know this –
    WE MUST DO ALL WE CAN!
    WHENEVER WE ARE CALLED UPON!
    TO THE UTMOST OF OUR ABILITY!
    If we had not gone to Rome to work for the Consecration on October13, 2013 I don’t think the Russians would have wanted to speak to me before Putin met with the Pope. Perhaps, this was the plan of Providence all along.
    The old saying, “Man proposes, God disposes” is ever relevant. We campaigned for a consecration; we got a meeting with the Russian embassy. Nothing goes to waste in the economy of salvation. Nothing happens outside of the Divine plan.
    What will come of the meeting with the Russians? Perhaps it has already produced its result and is working itself out at this moment. We must have faith and be patient. After all, we are God’s servants, not his counsellors.
    I am telling you about this episode now so that you will know how important it is for the Fatima Center to be able to respond to unforeseen circuмstances and opportunities.
    [I’m omitting several paragraphs here which consisted of Fr. Gruner explaining the necessity of generosity of benefactors for his apostolate and to humbly request further assistance for an emergency fund for events like the one he just described]
    [Name omitted], are you with me? I need your Prayers and your alms. If you stand with me, and we stand with our Lady, there is nothing we cannot accomplish when called upon. Know that I always bless you and you are in my Prayers.
    Yours in Jesus, Mary and Joseph,
    Father Nicholas Gruner



    If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?

    ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #277 on: March 24, 2022, 01:12:14 PM »
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  • I heard some time ago, before the war, it was Putin who asked for Russia to be consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Is there any truth in this.
    Fr Kramer's rumormill.  He also said Putin was the great catholic monarch.
    don't ask me how a (((supposed))) russian orthodox would be the great catholic monarch.
    but as Ladislaus said, i looked for his posts on calling Putin the GCM back in 2014-15 a week or so ago and could not find any of them.  he has cleaned up after that boondoggle
    perestroika was a deception, a pokazuka
    and Israel is a soviet satellite state


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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #278 on: March 24, 2022, 02:30:03 PM »
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  • That's not at all what I got out of it. I'm pretty sure what you're planning on doing is exactly what he was calling Catholics to do. Not to join in with Bergoglio's intentions or New-church. You yourself are "joining your voice" to those with the Catholic Faith in petitioning Our Mother's intercession contra the "Bergoglian-Globalists"

    Hence why he ends his article with:


    I wonder if any of the Bishops of the SSPX, SSPX Resistance, SSPV and other trad Bishops will join Bergy tomorrow?
    :popcorn:
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #279 on: March 24, 2022, 02:58:11 PM »
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  • I wonder if any of the Bishops of the SSPX, SSPX Resistance, SSPV and other trad Bishops will join Bergy tomorrow?
    :popcorn:
    Good question.  I would include Vigano in there as well.  He's been silent on the matter so far.  Actually, I haven't heard anything from any of the trad bishops either.  One would think they would publicly come out clearly against joining in on it. I haven't even seen a tweet about it.  I'm annoyed at best that they have not.

    I know Fr Jenkins has talked against the consecration a couple of weeks in a row on his What Catholics Believe program, but I have not heard anything from his bishops.

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #280 on: March 24, 2022, 03:17:12 PM »
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  • I know Fr Jenkins has talked against the consecration a couple of weeks in a row on his What Catholics Believe program, but I have not heard anything from his bishops.

    Do you have links to those shows?


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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #281 on: March 24, 2022, 03:20:30 PM »
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  • Do you have links to those shows?
    https://www.wcbohio.com/

    Unfortunately, I don't know exact timings for that part of the discussions.

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #282 on: March 24, 2022, 03:26:33 PM »
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  • https://www.wcbohio.com/

    Unfortunately, I don't know exact timings for that part of the discussions.

    Thank you.  I always enjoy listening to Father Jenkins.

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #283 on: March 24, 2022, 03:50:02 PM »
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  • Good question.  I would include Vigano in there as well.  He's been silent on the matter so far.  Actually, I haven't heard anything from any of the trad bishops either.  One would think they would publicly come out clearly against joining in on it. I haven't even seen a tweet about it.  I'm annoyed at best that they have not.

    I know Fr Jenkins has talked against the consecration a couple of weeks in a row on his What Catholics Believe program, but I have not heard anything from his bishops.

    Yeah +ABV, where is he on this?

    A few weeks back, Atila Guimaraes published a letter he had sent +ABV asking him if he was a sede?

    Atila cited derogatory comments +ABV had made in his writings on the modernist popes, and just asked him straight, are you a sede-vacantist?

    +ABV never replied.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #284 on: March 24, 2022, 03:51:25 PM »
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  • And then there is this...

    ARE YOU ABOUT TO BE CONSECRATED TO SATAN?
    MARCH 23, 2022 EDITOR 23 COMMENTS
    by Br. Alexis Bugnolo
    No one should participate in a religious act by a public idolator (satanist), because by consenting to such an act of being consecrated, one can in fact consent to being consecrated to Satan or a Demon.
    Thus, all those pushing to participate in and consent to the act of consecration by Bergoglio better wake up fast!
    This is no alarmist exaggeration, because:
    • Bergoglio has TWICE publicly adored the demon, Pachamama
    • Bergoglio has TWICE publicly desecrated religious sites by such adoration (Garden of St Peter’s where the dust of St. Peter and co-Martyrs was buried, and Basilica of St. Peter)
    • Bergoglio is a known Freemason, all of whom are sons of Satan.
    • Bergoglio is a known wearer of masonic & satanic art
    Hence, if you consent to participate in the act of consecration of humanity by Bergoglio on March 25, what is to prevent him during his act, of making a mental intention of consecrating humanity to Satan, or even say it quietly during the act?
    Such an act would be an act of global desecration and would be perfectly consonant with the religious motivationns and goals of every Satanist.
    Is this the real trap which explains why he first announced the consecration of Russia but then extended it to all humanity?
    Do you really have any rational basis to trust this man for a religious act after 8 years of heresy and apostasy?
    If not, then, just as you would not enter the car of someone who deliberately got into accidents and never repented of killing others or his passengers, so you should not participate in any way, not even by passive consent, to this act.
    Nor can I see how morally participation in this act is not an act of being in communion with this anti-pope and public heretic. This act is formal communicatio in sacris, which is never permitted unless the ritual is Catholic and the person is publicly known to be in the state of grace, that, is not a schismatic nor has the public reputation of being an impenitent sinner.
    The latter is certainly true: he is not penitent.  The former is highly probably. Therefore, prudence requires that we conclude that participation in this act is morally a grave deviation from the good.
    Therefore, everyone should explicitly refuse to participate and consent to this consecration on March 25, so long as it is in communion with this public sinner, as they are putting them selves, otherwise, in grave danger, the gravest of dangers.