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Author Topic: Marriage, divorce, and human nature  (Read 3444 times)

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Offline Yeti

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Re: Marriage, divorce, and human nature
« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2024, 02:53:19 PM »
Yeti, you have failed to demonstrate proper Catholic understanding regarding the nature and validity or invalidity of Catholic matrimony. Whilst some of what you have written is correct, you also present claims that are wrong and dangerous.

Everyone here should disregard what you have ssaid, currently and past, on the matter. Until you have gone through formal canonical training for at least 3 years, remain quiet.

And as I wrote, I stopped doing formal cases over 15 years ago. You are a presumptuous and judgmental knave.
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I am quoting from a Dominican theologian named Fr. Nicholas Halligan who wrote this in 1962, and explains the true teaching of the Church. I have not seen you quote any pre-Vatican 2 theologians on this subject.

Offline ElwinRansom1970

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Re: Marriage, divorce, and human nature
« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2024, 03:16:03 PM »
I am quoting from a Dominican theologian named Fr. Nicholas Halligan who wrote this in 1962, and explains the true teaching of the Church. I have not seen you quote any pre-Vatican 2 theologians on this subject.
Theologians are not canonists, and canonists are not theologians. They are VERY different fields.

My academic background is Church history but with additional studies in sacramental theology (my doctorate is in liturgy) and canon law. I do not feign to be a canon lawyer (JCL or JCD), but I have multi-year learning in canon law, western and some eastern.

Instead of quoting this or that person whose views are not necessarily pertinent, where are your credentials?


Offline Yeti

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Re: Marriage, divorce, and human nature
« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2024, 04:49:38 PM »
Theologians are not canonists, and canonists are not theologians. They are VERY different fields.
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Fr. Halligan was a theologian before Vatican 2, and was approved by his religious superiors to write a work on theology. This is the work I was quoting. He certainly knows better than you do whether he is competent to speak on this subject, and the Church authorities who approved him to publish this work knew this as well. If he were incompetent or didn't know what he was talking about, he would not have been allowed to write this book.

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My academic background is Church history but with additional studies in sacramental theology (my doctorate is in liturgy) and canon law. I do not feign to be a canon lawyer (JCL or JCD), but I have multi-year learning in canon law, western and some eastern.

Instead of quoting this or that person whose views are not necessarily pertinent, where are your credentials?

I don't care what your credentials are. Can you please cite a pre-Vatican 2 source from an approved theologian that makes the point you're trying to make? That is how one finds the answers to questions like this. You have still not cited any authority for anything you are saying.

Online Ladislaus

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Re: Marriage, divorce, and human nature
« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2024, 05:04:05 PM »
But you made no distinction between what he calls simple (purely intellectual) error and an intention of the will.

Let's say I want to get a certain kind of dog.  You buy the dog and then find out that it sheds.  I didn't know this breed of dog shed.  You generally know about "dogs", though not about all the properties of dogs.  This did not undermine or in any way "inform" your intention / will to get a dog, even if "had you known" you may not have gotten said dog.  At the time, your ignorance was in your intellect only and had no effect on your intention to get a dog.

This seems to be the kind of ignorance he's talking about, a purely intellectual ignorance that did not factor positively into your decision to get married at the time.

Now, let's say that you intended to get a dog that does not shed, and your choice of a dog was informed at least in part by your intention to get a non-shedding dog.  Then you get the dog, only to find out that it does in fact shed.  Here ignorance (or lack of knowledge) was involved in the original act of the will.

Offline ElwinRansom1970

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Re: Marriage, divorce, and human nature
« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2024, 07:24:35 PM »
I don't care what your credentials are. Can you please cite a pre-Vatican 2 source from an approved theologian that makes the point you're trying to make? That is how one finds the answers to questions like this. You have still not cited any authority for anything you are saying.
Then you are clearly an imbecile and have no idea about what you speak.

I am done with you. Go away, you hairy ape.