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Online Ladislaus

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Re: Marriage, divorce, and human nature
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2024, 06:56:05 AM »
If I were a priest preparing a couple for marriage, I'd have them sign docuŠ¼ents attesting publicly to their intentions regarding the marriage, that they're in conformity with the requirements for a valid marriage.

It gets very hazy with the old excuse, "I didn't really intend for it be be permanent."  Good luck proving that to have been the case.
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Offline ElwinRansom1970

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Re: Marriage, divorce, and human nature
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2024, 07:36:18 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on April 09, 2024, 06:56:05 AM
It gets very hazy with the old excuse, "I didn't really intend for it be be permanent."  Good luck proving that to have been the case.
Since the advent of social media, that has actually become easier to prove. Some persons actually post on their accounts before a wedding that they will get divorced "if things don't work out" or that they will not be having children until X time in the future or ever.

Freaking crazy the world is today, and erstaz Catholics lead the mob.

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Offline Comrade

Re: Marriage, divorce, and human nature
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2024, 12:08:24 PM »
Quote from: ElwinRansom1970 on April 09, 2024, 07:36:18 AM
Since the advent of social media, that has actually become easier to prove. Some persons actually post on their accounts before a wedding that they will get divorced "if things don't work out" or that they will not be having children until X time in the future or ever.

Freaking crazy the world is today, and erstaz Catholics lead the mob.

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It is my understanding that holding off having kids until a predetermined milestone or date, does not make the marriage invalid. Because, technically, you are open to having children. However, not to be open for kids would definitely make it invalid.
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Offline Everlast22

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Re: Marriage, divorce, and human nature
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2024, 12:17:33 PM »
Quote from: Comrade on April 09, 2024, 12:08:24 PM
It is my understanding that holding off having kids until a predetermined milestone or date, does not make the marriage invalid. Because, technically, you are open to having children. However, not to be open for kids would definitely make it invalid.
uh, huh?
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Offline Yeti

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Re: Marriage, divorce, and human nature
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2024, 02:07:38 PM »
I went over all this with epiphany a year or two ago. Long story short: Catholic teaching is that ignorance that marriage lasts until death does not invalidate a marriage, nor does infidelity either before or after marriage, nor does saying later that one "simulated consent", or that a person withheld information about themselves. Saying those things invalidate marriage is against Catholic teaching.

As far as the issue of contraception, that is a bit more complex, and I'd have to dig to find in what circuŠ¼stances that could make marriage invalid, but the Novus Ordo open-ended idea that "intending to use contraception" renders the marriage invalid is completely false.

Elwin, if you worked in one of these so-called tribunals and cooperated with handing out "annulments" on these fake grounds, you should probably discuss this with your priest, as this is very serious matter. :(
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