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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Jordan Peterson - another sign of warning
« Reply #45 on: November 23, 2023, 01:50:18 PM »
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    his stated goal is to slow down the leftist revolution SO THAT THE RIGHT DOES NOT WAKE UP AND FIGHT.
    Exactly right.  I haven’t been able to find a video I watched about 6 months ago, that had many video clips of JP saying just this.  He was trying to modify the Left to keep the right pacified. 
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    Re: Jordan Peterson - another sign of warning
    « Reply #46 on: November 23, 2023, 02:04:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: Uniting Our Prayers on November 21, 2023, 03:17:31 PM
    I agree and think we have to be careful in who we look to as leaders or who we let influence us. Thus, "You will know them by their fruits," is wisdom to always keep in mind I think when trying to make those decisions.
    The problem is so many today don't know how to judge a fruit. No pun intended.
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    Re: Jordan Peterson - another sign of warning
    « Reply #47 on: November 23, 2023, 02:14:16 PM »
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    Re: Jordan Peterson - another sign of warning
    « Reply #48 on: November 23, 2023, 03:02:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: TheRealMcCoy on November 23, 2023, 10:08:47 AM
    Despite his personal brilliance, Catholics should wait until after Dr Peterson's conversion to be influenced by his teachings. Hoping and praying for him is appropriate.
    Well said.  
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    Re: Jordan Peterson - another sign of warning
    « Reply #49 on: November 23, 2023, 04:35:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on November 23, 2023, 12:45:19 PM
    Opus Dei saint miracle:

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    "I brought a rosary blessed by Pope Francis, a little pamphlet on how to pray the rosary and an image of Our Lady and Baby Jesus Chinese (sic)," said Yu, who is herself an adult Catholic convert and now a numerary member of Opus Dei,
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    Re: Jordan Peterson - another sign of warning
    « Reply #50 on: November 23, 2023, 04:43:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: TheRealMcCoy on November 23, 2023, 02:04:58 PM
    The problem is so many today don't know how to judge a fruit. No pun intended.

    That's happening over at the other thread: https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/voris-niles-out/
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    Re: Jordan Peterson - another sign of warning
    « Reply #51 on: November 23, 2023, 05:06:09 PM »
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    And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. 
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    Re: Jordan Peterson - another sign of warning
    « Reply #52 on: November 23, 2023, 07:28:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: TheRealMcCoy on November 23, 2023, 10:08:47 AM
    Despite his personal brilliance, Catholics should wait until after Dr Peterson's conversion to be influenced by his teachings. Hoping and praying for him is appropriate.
    To be sure, is this advice only relevant for being influenced specifically by JP, or does it apply to being influenced by anyone at all in any way if they aren’t (yet) Catholic?

    And—why?

    (Also, so as to not be misunderstood, I’m not trying to be antagonistic. I just want to try and understand better what you’re saying because on the surface it doesn’t seem to make much sense to me.)
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    Re: Jordan Peterson - another sign of warning
    « Reply #53 on: November 24, 2023, 08:16:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: TheRealMcCoy on November 23, 2023, 10:08:47 AM
    Despite his personal brilliance, Catholics should wait until after Dr Peterson's conversion to be influenced by his teachings. Hoping and praying for him is appropriate.
    Who of us  on Cathinfo, look to JP for guidance? I am guessing noone.  This post started out as a warning against him.  I think that in general we need to be hopeful for conversion, but we don't need to talk poorly about him.  Do any of us know him personally?  It is not good to keep rumors going.  
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    Re: Jordan Peterson - another sign of warning
    « Reply #54 on: November 24, 2023, 09:24:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on November 24, 2023, 08:16:16 AM
    Who of us  on Cathinfo, look to JP for guidance? I am guessing noone.  This post started out as a warning against him.  I think that in general we need to be hopeful for conversion, but we don't need to talk poorly about him.  Do any of us know him personally?  It is not good to keep rumors going. 

    I think that concern about Peterson is that, since he has a high-profile media presence as a speaker, that he will twist the Catholic Faith the way other media pundits do. If he himself does convert, what will he convert to? His wife has been influenced by members of Opus Dei, which is concerning, but at least she doesn't appear to have a media presence....yet. Opus Dei is a really horrible cult that began to influence the Catholic Church toward liberalism even before Vatican ll.
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    Re: Jordan Peterson - another sign of warning
    « Reply #55 on: November 24, 2023, 09:43:15 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on November 24, 2023, 09:24:16 AM
    I think that concern about Peterson is that, since he has a high-profile media presence as a speaker, that he will twist the Catholic Faith the way other media pundits do. I hope that he does convert, but what will he convert to? His wife has been influenced by members of Opus Dei, which is concerning, but at least she doesn't appear to have a media presence....yet. Opus Dei is a really horrible cult that began to influence the Catholic Church toward liberalism even before Vatican ll.
    I understand the worry, but that worry doesn't concern most of us on here.  If someone new comes on here, they will see some Truth and maybe that will lead them to research and find imore.  The problem is the fruits of posts that are unchairtable.  I know this seems harsh, but my character was attacked before I was ever on this forum.  I was called prideful, a Karen, people felt sorry for my husband and children, a trad liberal, a disgrace to my sex, and no one knew anything about me.  The worst part is that when it was found out I was a real person, the people who were highly critical, never apologized. I forgive them. All I want to do is plant good seeds.  I do not want to show lack of charity to any person.  As long as they are living, they can convert.  We should hope in that and not knock them down withour words.  Yes Opus Dei seems to be a strange group, but we need to not worry and take the higher ground.  aif we don't have a personal relationship with the person, then all we need to do is pray harder and act charitable,  even with public figures.  
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    Re: Jordan Peterson - another sign of warning
    « Reply #56 on: November 24, 2023, 09:55:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on November 24, 2023, 09:43:15 AM
    I understand the worry, but that worry doesn't concern most of us on here.  If someone new comes on here, they will see some Truth and maybe that will lead them to research and find imore.  The problem is the fruits of posts that are unchairtable.  I know this seems harsh, but my character was attacked before I was ever on this forum.  I was called prideful, a Karen, people felt sorry for my husband and children, a trad liberal, a disgrace to my sex, and no one knew anything about me.  The worst part is that when it was found out I was a real person, the people who were highly critical, never apologized. I forgive them. All I want to do is plant good seeds.  I do not want to show lack of charity to any person.  As long as they are living, they can convert.  We should hope in that and not knock them down withour words.  Yes Opus Dei seems to be a strange group, but we need to not worry and take the higher ground.  aif we don't have a personal relationship with the person, then all we need to do is pray harder and act charitable,  even with public figures. 

    Yes, the trad circular firing squad is alive and well; always has been. And sadly, probably always will be.

    IMO, we do need to worry about how these media influencers affect and mislead others. Peterson has a very large following because he is considered a conservative. Trads have always been wary of those who mislead others, and that's not a bad thing, since our beloved Church has been taken over by a modernist heretical sect. We do have to stay vigilant. It would be good to find a charitable way to do that (stay wary and aware of bad influencers), but I'm not sure that's possible.

    The problem with Opus Dei is more than them just being strange. They are like Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ - a secret society - which operates mainly in secret, so that it's difficult to know who its members are. And....they pretend to be conservative, but they are not.

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    Re: Jordan Peterson - another sign of warning
    « Reply #57 on: November 24, 2023, 10:22:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on November 20, 2023, 03:46:44 PM
    But that doesn't really matter if they trust him or not.  What matters is that we make sure we are ready for Heaven and God focused, so if people are inspired to look for Truth because of Peterson, then we are ready to give them that Truth.  God has His hand in everything.
    Thank you for this advice.  God bless you.  



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    Re: Jordan Peterson - another sign of warning
    « Reply #58 on: November 24, 2023, 10:36:47 AM »
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    • Here is my main point.  Yes we have to stay vigilant, but only in saving our own soul, and then we be a light in the darkness.  We all have Guardian Angels, even JP, that Guardian Angel wants His person to be saved.  I think we look so much at the demons we are fighting, than at God and the Angels who are helping us.  
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    Re: Jordan Peterson - another sign of warning
    « Reply #59 on: November 24, 2023, 10:47:02 AM »
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    • The natural weakness to look to human respect is also part of the problem. When a person is hurting for some other unrelated reason, it's easy to define any topic in personal terms, and then if someone else points out logical contradictions or criticizes the substance of the matter under discussion, it can be taken as a personal attack when it isn't. 

    Also, people are stuck sometimes in a bind where they're influenced by loved ones less interested in the truth. Somebody around the Thanksgiving table talks about how cool or genius or "based" JP is and now the teens in the family now want to know more about JP. Speak or stay silent? Or let the JP fan convince us that maybe we're the one that doesn't get it? 

    Nobody said we have to trash JP and his wife, but things get polarized where you either have to be for or against, otherwise both sides will make you a target. The only one we have to be totally for is Christ.
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