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Re: Enjoy the possibility of a Eucharistic miracle
« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2022, 01:01:07 PM »
Oh, come on now.  This skepticism has absolutely no resemblance whatsoever to the Pharisees.  This has always been the attitude of the Catholic Church ... extreme skepticism about private revelations, miracles, etc., and the default reaction of the Church is not to accept them, unless they're proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.  To liken this skepticism (according to the mind of the Church) to the Pharisees who accused Our Lord of working miracles through the devil is utterly preposterous.

No, absolutely not!  If the NOM is displeasing to God, as we know it is without any reasonable doubt, God will NOT work a miracle that might give people the impression that the NOM is acceptable and pleasing to Him ... even IF the NOM were valid.  In addition, God will not work miracles through the schismatics or heretics, as that would give the impression that those groups find favor with God.  Any "miracles" performed among those groups are either fakes or the work of the devil.  Catholic missionaries and exorcists routinely reported preternatural phenomena taking place among pagan religions, such as with voodoo in Africa, etc. ... all calculated to ensnare people in idolatry and superstition.

And stop it with the idiotic SV nonsense also, as it's not only SVs that doubt the validity of the NOM.  And, secondly, this question goes well beyond that of validity.  God would not be bringing "souls closer to God" by drawing them toward accepting the NOM.  That's an emotionalist view to religion.  Eucharistic miracles are relatively rare because faith is strengthened by NOT relying upon visible/sensible confirmation of what we know to be true.

It's precisely for this effect on weak-minded individuals (and individuals of weak faith) such as yourself that the devil works these types of spectacles.  We see it having its intended effect in posts such as yours, and in Bishop Williamson falling for the nonsense as well.

You think as if you are God Himself. :facepalm: He can certainly bring good out of evil and that is not for us to dictate. The faith of each individual differs and it is not for you to decide whether God can or cannot perform miracles to strengthen their faith. So far this alleged miracle is has not been judged by those in authority, so it should be left as such. Oh wait, but sedes does not recognize any living authority but themselves! If the Mass is valid, Our Lord is there. Period. Nothing emotional there.

Re: Enjoy the possibility of a Eucharistic miracle
« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2022, 09:40:36 PM »
"For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect." [Matthew 24:24]

This verse came to mind yesterday when I was reading this thread, but I didn't have time to post about it. Often some will compare the "miracles" surrounding the Novus Ordo to this verse, which is a good and likely comparison; but I also wonder if it could refer to the deception of "great signs and wonders" of modern technology and natural science? What I mean is, how deeply-rooted naturalism is in the minds of virtually everyone today; is to an extent that these same "signs and wonders" of these naturalistic sciences and technologies have served to desensitize even "the elect" to the possibility of true miracles. As many, even when faced with a true miracle, would seek to dismiss it by means of extensive natural explanations rather than accept it as an act of God. Just look at Padre Pio, where some called him a fraud by claiming that he would apply carbolic acid to his hands to perpetuate the stigmata; and there's many more today who would be apt to believe this theory. Not to mention the ridiculous claims about how the Shroud of Turin is a Medieval forgery, or the Tilma of Our Lady of Guadalupe, despite the forensic evidence.

But, it's not just limited to overt miracles, but all things of supernatural faith. Such as the literal belief in Scripture. Even among Catholics there is a deep skepticism that has been fostered by modern natural science (see: the arch-heresy of Modernism), where they have rejected the literal meaning in favor of an allegorical or "spiritual" meaning. The recent discussion on Fr. Robinson and the SSPX regarding Creationism is a good example. As they, too, have been taken in by the "signs and wonders" of modern science.