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Where do you stand on Marriage Prenups and State Marriage Licenses?

I FAVOR a Catholic prenup and REFUSE a state marriage license.
2 (8.3%)
I REFUSE a Catholic Prenup and ACCEPT a state marriage license.
1 (4.2%)
I accept Catholic marriage vows and state laws as written (and pray I'm not divorced).
13 (54.2%)
I don't have a firm opinion on either one.
3 (12.5%)
I hope to get to Heaven by remaining single.
5 (20.8%)

Total Members Voted: 20

Voting closed: July 05, 2018, 07:43:47 PM

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Offline MaterDominici

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #90 on: June 24, 2018, 11:08:23 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 24, 2018, 08:38:54 PM
Yeah, if a prenup existed, you could enforce the above.  If there is no prenup, then you could not enforce the above because the husband has ZERO LEVERAGE.  And really, the priest has low leverage too.  The woman can ignore both of them, or not.  She can go the courts and get money, or not.  She can destroy a marriage, or not.  COMPLETELY up to her.  This is insanity and is feminism in all its horror on display.

A prenup gives leverage back to the husband, so that the wife cannot control his money (which for an evil woman means she controls him and gets revenge on him), because he is THE HEAD OF THE FAMILY and she does not have the right to destroy the marriage or leave and take the children for non-church approved reasons.  A prenup is more about authority, and the lack of authority over the family that the system gives men (which is their God-given RIGHT).  Thus, it can be argued that a prenup shifts the authority and control of marital discord back to where it belongs - in the hands of the Church and the husband.  
I'm all for putting some control back in the hands of the Church who would instinctively make separation and civil divorce entirely undesirable for both parties. But, I also know that no amount of legal paperwork is going to make a happy marriage. A woman of very low character is going to get what she wants even if she has to take you out of the picture in the process, while a woman of high morals will never resort to having the courts impose vengeance for her. Skip the paperwork and ask God to send you a virtuous spouse. "Ask and you shall receive."
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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #91 on: June 24, 2018, 11:26:37 PM »
Quote from: St Ignatius on June 24, 2018, 09:16:52 PM
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Also, from what I an tell, the men who are agreeing with you about prenups are single and the ones disagreeing are married.  The people with experience are against having a prenup and it is supported by those who only imagine what marriage is like.  This in itself is a good indicator that prenups are a bad idea.
Uhhh... just maybe some of us "people with experience" with being married have better things to do than to participate in this conversation... as a matter of fact, I tend to side with the objective concerns of Croix de Fer than those, as a whole, who seem to be in disagreement primarily based on emotion.

Please don't include me, and I'm sure that there are others, in your very limited cross section of participants in this matter.

BTW, I'm happily married, BUT, I'm not blind to the all out attack by the Devil against men and the family.
I'm not altogether against the idea. But, I am against the idea that you should reject anyone who isn't willing to sign a prenup that you've created yourself.
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Offline Nadir

Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #92 on: June 25, 2018, 01:11:42 AM »
Quote from: Jaynek on June 24, 2018, 10:10:58 AM
When I got married, I looked into only having a Church marriage and it wasn't possible.  Getting married in the Church was automatically registered with the state.
This was in Canada.  I have heard it works differently in different countries.
In Australia you don't apply for a marriage license. (I've only heard about them in movies). 
When you go to the priest and he agrees to perform the marriage, you just go to the Church on the day with two witnesses, then after the ceremony the priest asks you to sign a Marriage Certificate, which is signed by the sopouses and two witnesses.
The priest then sends the relevant papers to the state as a record that the marriage was performed.
So we don't apply for (or demand) a marriage license.
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Offline Croix de Fer

Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #93 on: June 25, 2018, 04:03:04 AM »
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Offline Croix de Fer

Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #94 on: June 25, 2018, 04:04:31 AM »

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Nadir said:

In Australia you don't apply for a marriage license. (I've only heard about them in movies).
When you go to the priest and he agrees to perform the marriage, you just go to the Church on the day with two witnesses, then after the ceremony the priest asks you to sign a Marriage Certificate, which is signed by the sopouses and two witnesses.
The priest then sends the relevant papers to the state as a record that the marriage was performed.
So we don't apply for (or demand) a marriage license.

That's not dissimilar to the Communist Soviet era that was fused with the Church to keep tabs on all of the people. It's another example of why Australia isn't a free country. You can't even exercise your inalienable right to carry a firearm and employ self-defense. Your ability to buy most firearms is restricted, too. The few that you can buy, you must get a license to do it. A "license" is nothing more than a piece of paper that steals away your rights, then sells them back to you.
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