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Where do you stand on Marriage Prenups and State Marriage Licenses?

I FAVOR a Catholic prenup and REFUSE a state marriage license.
2 (8.3%)
I REFUSE a Catholic Prenup and ACCEPT a state marriage license.
1 (4.2%)
I accept Catholic marriage vows and state laws as written (and pray I'm not divorced).
13 (54.2%)
I don't have a firm opinion on either one.
3 (12.5%)
I hope to get to Heaven by remaining single.
5 (20.8%)

Total Members Voted: 20

Voting closed: July 05, 2018, 07:43:47 PM

Author Topic: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?  (Read 24034 times)

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #80 on: June 24, 2018, 08:22:34 PM »
False analogy. Nobody chooses to have a car accident, but one (at least) of the spouses, must choose a divorce.  It is not something that happens to them by accident.
You're deliberately missing the forest for the trees. What matters is the end, not the means. The end is the "divorce" (car accident), not what led to it (means). A prenup protects the man from having his home, money, and everything else stolen from him by the woman. Car insurance protects a person from getting sued, and it pays for damages to their cars.

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It is prudent to have car insurance because car accidents are beyond one's control.  Divorce is up to the couple.  No matter what the divorce rate is, a couple only gets divorced if one of them chooses it.
Your last sentence supports my argument and nullifies what you said just prior to it. Divorce isn't up to the man when his wife can "divorce" him for any reason, and no reason at all, through no fault of his own. Hence, the divorce is, indeed, beyond his control. Court cases prove it.

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Making a prenup is preparing for divorce. It shows one believes that at least one of the spouses is capable of choosing divorce.
Yes, it prepares for a "divorce", if it were to unfortunately come, but it's not expecting it. It's only prudent to prepare for the worst, especially when the trend is growing as time passes.  I see you tried to change your language around ("preparing for" replaced "expecting") to make your point valid, but you only supported my point. Thanks.

Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #81 on: June 24, 2018, 08:25:41 PM »
Yes, a prenup says "If you divorce, this is what happens..."  It imposes penalties and CONSEQUENCES which are lacking in our anti-catholic, masonic and godless world.  In the current situation, women have a FINANCIAL INCENTIVE to divorce.  I'm not saying they will, or they want to, but if the situation reaches crisis mode, the temptation is there and it will be a strong one, because "the world" will tell them "you need to think of the children and take care of them."  Oh the devil will be working overtime on her emotions to get her to sign that divorce paper.

A prenup REMOVES THE TEMPTATION for the wife, so that she would look at the divorce in its TRUE AND HORRIFYING light, which is, divorce is not pretty for either spouse.  Divorce will be difficult, it will be filled with financial unknowns and much insecurity and sleepless nights, as it should be.  Because those who get a divorce are an abomination in God's eyes and He will not be pleased and his Divine Providence will not be there.

Yes, any spouse is capable of choosing divorce.  If you don't believe that, you are living in a fantasy world.
I am living in a marriage of 38 years.  We managed to avoid divorce without the supposed help of a prenup because we are committed to keeping the vows we made before God.  And that is all anyone needs.

Neither my husband nor I will ever choose divorce.


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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #82 on: June 24, 2018, 08:28:16 PM »

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Neither my husband nor I will ever choose divorce.
Great, but you're 1 couple out of a 100,000 trad couples.  Do you deny that trads have NEVER divorced?  Does 1 couple 'set the rule' for all couples?  

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #83 on: June 24, 2018, 08:30:03 PM »
Forfeited what rights?  I mean if a woman gets permission from a priest to separate from the husband and agrees that she will revisit the issue with the priest after 4 weeks and the priest says, "ok, things have calmed down now, you need to return home." and the wife says "no", she has just disobeyed the priest, but it's not like she's excommuncated or a divorce is automatic.  It just means she said "no".  What rights has she forfeited?  I don't get your comment.
Presuming priest-approved separation and priest-approved return:
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If he wants her to come home and she does not want to return, she can't go to the courts and attempt to get money or custody.
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If she wants to come home and he does not want her to return, he can't seek custody and has to allow her to receive financial support from him as the courts see fit.
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(It's usually HIM who moves out temporarily, but I'm sure you can swap around the wording accordingly.)
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It would be more complicated if the priest doesn't recommend a reunification.

Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #84 on: June 24, 2018, 08:31:38 PM »
Great, but you're 1 couple out of a 100,000 trad couples.  Do you deny that trads have NEVER divorced?  Does 1 couple 'set the rule' for all couples?  
All couples can choose commitment to their vows as my husband and I did.  And trads presumably have more graces than most people to assist them in doing this.