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Where do you stand on Marriage Prenups and State Marriage Licenses?

I FAVOR a Catholic prenup and REFUSE a state marriage license.
2 (8.3%)
I REFUSE a Catholic Prenup and ACCEPT a state marriage license.
1 (4.2%)
I accept Catholic marriage vows and state laws as written (and pray I'm not divorced).
13 (54.2%)
I don't have a firm opinion on either one.
3 (12.5%)
I hope to get to Heaven by remaining single.
5 (20.8%)

Total Members Voted: 20

Voting closed: July 05, 2018, 07:43:47 PM

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Offline MaterDominici

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #75 on: June 24, 2018, 07:52:38 PM »
In your original example, the wife separated from the husband (and you presumed he wouldn’t give her money, which then you changed to say that he couldn’t afford to) but you used this financial hardship as a reason for divorce.  If you’ll admit this is a wrong action, I’ll agree and we can move on.  

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Yes, I presumed he wasn't supporting her. If he was, there would be no need for her to file anything. I also didn't say he was shirking his duty, but that he simply couldn't afford to cover everything which is VERY likely in most Trad families.
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But, again, you killed the example a long time ago by saying they'd be back together after 4 weeks. Anyone not willing to return has left the bounds of the original agreement and forfeited their rights therein.

Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #76 on: June 24, 2018, 08:05:07 PM »

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Anyone not willing to return has left the bounds of the original agreement and forfeited their rights therein.
Forfeited what rights?  I mean if a woman gets permission from a priest to separate from the husband and agrees that she will revisit the issue with the priest after 4 weeks and the priest says, "ok, things have calmed down now, you need to return home." and the wife says "no", she has just disobeyed the priest, but it's not like she's excommuncated or a divorce is automatic.  It just means she said "no".  What rights has she forfeited?  I don't get your comment.


Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #77 on: June 24, 2018, 08:05:29 PM »
The point of the prenup is to protect a man from legalized, court-sanctioned theft by the woman divorcing him, if a divorce were to occur, and it's only prudent to enact a prenup in the wake of the high statistical divorce rates. That doesn't mean he thinks his marriage will end in "divorce". It only means he's prepared for the worst. When you get car insurance, do you plan on getting in a car accident? That's the same "logic" you're using. Answer the question, woman.
False analogy. Nobody chooses to have a car accident, but one (at least) of the spouses, must choose a divorce.  It is not something that happens to them by accident.  It is prudent to have car insurance because car accidents are beyond one's control.  Divorce is up to the couple.  No matter what the divorce rate is, a couple only gets divorced if one of them chooses it.

Making a prenup is preparing for divorce. It shows one believes that at least one of the spouses is capable of choosing divorce.

Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #78 on: June 24, 2018, 08:07:07 PM »
I can't believe all of you have wasted six pages on this punk's drivel.

Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #79 on: June 24, 2018, 08:07:21 PM »
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Making a prenup is preparing for divorce. It shows one believes that at least one of the spouses is capable of choosing divorce.
Yes, a prenup says "If you divorce, this is what happens..."  It imposes penalties and CONSEQUENCES which are lacking in our anti-catholic, masonic and godless world.  In the current situation, women have a FINANCIAL INCENTIVE to divorce.  I'm not saying they will, or they want to, but if the situation reaches crisis mode, the temptation is there and it will be a strong one, because "the world" will tell them "you need to think of the children and take care of them."  Oh the devil will be working overtime on her emotions to get her to sign that divorce paper.

A prenup REMOVES THE TEMPTATION for the wife, so that she would look at the divorce in its TRUE AND HORRIFYING light, which is, divorce is not pretty for either spouse.  Divorce will be difficult, it will be filled with financial unknowns and much insecurity and sleepless nights, as it should be.  Because those who get a divorce are an abomination in God's eyes and He will not be pleased and his Divine Providence will not be there.

Yes, any spouse is capable of choosing divorce.  If you don't believe that, you are living in a fantasy world.