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Where do you stand on Marriage Prenups and State Marriage Licenses?

I FAVOR a Catholic prenup and REFUSE a state marriage license.
2 (8.3%)
I REFUSE a Catholic Prenup and ACCEPT a state marriage license.
1 (4.2%)
I accept Catholic marriage vows and state laws as written (and pray I'm not divorced).
13 (54.2%)
I don't have a firm opinion on either one.
3 (12.5%)
I hope to get to Heaven by remaining single.
5 (20.8%)

Total Members Voted: 20

Voting closed: July 05, 2018, 07:43:47 PM

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #70 on: June 24, 2018, 07:41:57 PM »
So, Croix, if a couple were to separate, you believe that the man no longer has any obligation to provide for his wife and children?

Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #71 on: June 24, 2018, 07:43:22 PM »
In your original example, the wife separated from the husband (and you presumed he wouldn’t give her money, which then you changed to say that he couldn’t afford to) but you used this financial hardship as a reason for divorce.  If you’ll admit this is a wrong action, I’ll agree and we can move on.  

But in your hypothetical, each and every time the wife escalated the situation.  1) she refused the marriage debt.  Reaction- husband immorally turned to vice. 

2) In response to husband’s vice, she committed adultery.  

3) Husband got mad and hit her (I don’t remember).  She had a miscarriage, incorrectly blamed him, separated, took the children, and filed for divorce to get money.

Looking at the facts, neither party is blameless but the hypothetical wife started this situation and “upped the ante” every time she was offended.  I’m not condoning spousal abuse or sɛҳuąƖ vice but these sins are not as extreme as adultery and divorce.  


Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #72 on: June 24, 2018, 07:45:27 PM »
You do not hesitate to tell other Catholic couples that when there is no prenup the husband is emasculated and the wife is disobedient.
Because my points are factual statements. The epidemic of men falling victim to theft by women "divorcing" them can't be denied. These women use the courts to steal what he has built & acquired. A prenup stops it from occurring.


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I have just as much right to make generalizations as you do.
No, you don't because you give subjective opinions, while my argument is predicated off of objective reality.


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If you are going into marriage thinking that the statistics mean you will probably end up divorced, then you should not be getting married.
Another strawman. No man in his right mind goes into marriage thinking it will likely end up in divorce. That is hopelessness. The point of the prenup is to protect a man from legalized, court-sanctioned theft by the woman divorcing him, if a divorce were to occur, and it's only prudent to enact a prenup in the wake of the high statistical divorce rates. That doesn't mean he thinks his marriage will end in "divorce". It only means he's prepared for the worst. When you get car insurance, do you plan on getting in a car accident? That's the same "logic" you're using. Answer the question, woman.

Offline MaterDominici

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #73 on: June 24, 2018, 07:47:05 PM »
In your original example, the wife separated from the husband (and you presumed he wouldn’t give her money, which then you changed to say that he couldn’t afford to) but you used this financial hardship as a reason for divorce.  If you’ll admit this is a wrong action, I’ll agree and we can move on.  

But in your hypothetical, each and every time the wife escalated the situation.  1) she refused the marriage debt.  Reaction- husband immorally turned to vice.

2) In response to husband’s vice, she committed adultery.  

3) Husband got mad and hit her (I don’t remember).  She had a miscarriage, incorrectly blamed him, separated, took the children, and filed for divorce to get money.

Looking at the facts, neither party is blameless but the hypothetical wife started this situation and “upped the ante” every time she was offended.  I’m not condoning spousal abuse or sɛҳuąƖ vice but these sins are not as extreme as adultery and divorce.  
You're mixing examples. The soap opera was Jayne's example.

Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #74 on: June 24, 2018, 07:50:57 PM »
That was the ONLY hypothetical example given.  ??

Wait...I may have misread your comment earlier.  So you're saying a wife would file for divorce to get GOVT assistance (like food stamps)?  I thought you meant, she would file to get the husband to pay (even if he couldn't afford it).  ...the former explanation makes more sense, but it's still a rash attitude which would make reunification less likely, imo.

As I see it, if a prenup was in existence and she knew she couldn't file for divorce, then 

1) it's extremely unlikely that she would've moved out to begin with, therefore the stress on the marriage from a separation wouldn't exist and they would be forced to discuss their issues/go to counseling like rational adults, instead of "abandoning ship" like an emotional teenager.  

2) she would've had to have stayed with family/friends if she decided to separate, instead of receiving govt assistance and being on her own.  This would solve many problems, because her family and friends, if they disagreed with her, would talk some sense into her and get her to realize that BOTH of them are to blame for their marriage problems and they need to get a priest/counselor/parent/expert involved to help.  The last thing a woman needs in this type of situation is to be on her own, with no input from those that know her defects and temptations, only listening to sympathetic girlfriends who would blame everything on the husband.  This would not lead to reunification and the saving of the marriage.