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Offline ThatBritPapist

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Re: Distributism
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2025, 09:05:56 AM »
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  • Are there any existing "distributist" societies anywhere in the world?
    In Spain and in England
    Some People call me a Radical Traditionalist but others call me Shizo.....Oh well :trollface:

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    Re: Distributism
    « Reply #16 on: March 14, 2025, 09:19:18 AM »
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  • First of all, learn to read.
    Second, things are gonna get real ugly for women when the balloon goes up. Women better have mentally, emotionally and physically strong men in their lives when it happens, because men will be unleashing a fury against females when there is no more government and law enforcement to sustain the female delusion after the many decades of feminism and assault on men. There are 10's of millions of biological pressure cookers walking around in America, right now. I'm not saying it's right. It's just the reality.
    Learn to read? Explain.
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    Re: Distributism
    « Reply #17 on: March 14, 2025, 09:45:39 AM »
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  • Learn to read? Explain.
    In a 'no rules' environement like during a war, women will be raped en mass, mostly by immigrants but not only. Even the feminists with black belts in krav maga will suffer. Things were bad enough in the 20th century wars, but now with porn addiction and the total breakdown of morality, women with no strong man to protect them will be victims. And no strong man will  bother protect a well worn feminist if he has to make priority for his family.

    When the Costa Concordia capsized in 2012, the Captain was one of the first off the ship and the male passengers trampled over the women to get to the lifeboats. Compare this to1912, when almost all women from the Titanic were saved.   
      

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    Re: Distributism
    « Reply #18 on: March 14, 2025, 09:56:23 AM »
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  • In a 'no rules' environement like during a war, women will be raped en mass, mostly by immigrants but not only. Even the feminists with black belts in krav maga will suffer. Things were bad enough in the 20th century wars, but now with porn addiction and the total breakdown of morality, women with no strong man to protect them will be victims. And no strong man will  bother protect a well worn feminist if he has to make priority for his family.

    When the Costa Concordia capsized in 2012, the Captain was one of the first off the ship and the male passengers trampled over the women to get to the lifeboats. Compare this to1912, when almost all women from the Titanic were saved. 
     
    I understand all what are you are saying. I am not naive.

    The first thing WWCS said was learn to read without any reference. I wanted to know his reference point.

    Learn to read about history?  Learn to read about distributism?
    Learn to read because I misunderstood his post?

    Please WWCS let me know what you meant, I don't want to infer the wrong thing.
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    Re: Distributism
    « Reply #19 on: March 14, 2025, 12:02:13 PM »
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  • When the Costa Concordia capsized in 2012, the Captain was one of the first off the ship and the male passengers trampled over the women to get to the lifeboats. Compare this to1912, when almost all women from the Titanic were saved. 
     
    On the Costa Concordia 32 people died out of 4000+ people and you are likening that to the Titanic? Then you are using it to tell me how afraid women should be when all hell breaks out? Am I missing something?
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    Re: Distributism
    « Reply #20 on: March 14, 2025, 12:18:36 PM »
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  • On the Costa Concordia 32 people died out of 4000+ people and you are likening that to the Titanic? Then you are using it to tell me how afraid women should be when all hell breaks out? Am I missing something?
    The costa capsized like two hundred feet from the shore. It was a high-survivability event, and STILL the men didn't give a hoot about the women.

    The Titanic was a low-survivability event, and nevertheless, the men aboard saw first to the safety of the women.

    The point is that among the myriad of social degenerations over the last ~75 years, there is no collective sense of gallantry among men toward women-- not even in minor emergencies like the Costa, never mind in major emergencies.  

    Do you seriously doubt this? What are you arguing about?
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    Re: Distributism
    « Reply #21 on: March 14, 2025, 12:32:41 PM »
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  • In Spain and in England

    Could you elaborate on the Distributist communities in Spain and England? I've not heard of them before. I'm a strong supporter of distributism, and a big fan of Chester-Belloc's views on the subject.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

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    Re: Distributism
    « Reply #22 on: March 14, 2025, 12:34:50 PM »
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  • On the Costa Concordia 32 people died out of 4000+ people and you are likening that to the Titanic? Then you are using it to tell me how afraid women should be when all hell breaks out? Am I missing something?
    Yes to both questions. 


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    Re: Distributism
    « Reply #23 on: March 14, 2025, 12:38:45 PM »
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  • In college I wrote a twenty-page paper on Distributism, and, I must confess, I know less about Distributism now than I did before writing the paper.  Is Distributism based on a barter system?  If we barter, is money involved?  How much land am I allowed to own?  Distributism reminds me of the late Transcendentalist Movement in Indiana, of which Orestes Brownson was a founding member.  The only problem with the Transcendentalists is that they all wanted to sit on the farm and talk philosophy.  If everyone sits and talks philosophy, who does the work?  

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    Re: Distributism
    « Reply #24 on: March 14, 2025, 12:41:17 PM »
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  • The first thing WWCS said was learn to read without any reference. I wanted to know his reference point.
    Learn to read what I first wrote you on this thread, ding bat. Your response is a strawman.
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    Re: Distributism
    « Reply #25 on: March 14, 2025, 12:49:26 PM »
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  • Learn to read what I first wrote you on this thread, ding bat. Your response is a strawman.
    Game over is such a nihilistic response.  The game is never over.  Death leads to eternity, the only thing I need to worry about is "Am I right with God?"

    No strawmen involved.
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    Re: Distributism
    « Reply #26 on: March 14, 2025, 12:54:06 PM »
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  • Game over is such a nihilistic response.  The game is never over.  Death leads to eternity, the only thing I need to worry about is "Am I right with God?"

    No strawmen involved.
    As a general rule, violent deaths inflict chaos on the mind-- something that makes it more difficult to have the right disposition. The martyrs are the exception, not the rule. Martyrdom is a grace from God, and it's safer to assume it's a grace we won't be granted.

    Of all the things to pick an argument about this has to be one of the dumbest. It would make more sense to argue that the balloon won't go up than it would to argue that if it does it's no problem for women (however pious they are).
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    Re: Distributism
    « Reply #27 on: March 14, 2025, 12:57:18 PM »
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  • In college I wrote a twenty-page paper on Distributism, and, I must confess, I know less about Distributism now than I did before writing the paper.  Is Distributism based on a barter system?  If we barter, is money involved?  How much land am I allowed to own?  Distributism reminds me of the late Transcendentalist Movement in Indiana, of which Orestes Brownson was a founding member.  The only problem with the Transcendentalists is that they all wanted to sit on the farm and talk philosophy.  If everyone sits and talks philosophy, who does the work? 

    There seems to be quite a few opinions as to what distributism would look like, in reality. I don't think that a barter system, for example, would work except as an occasional practice. How much land one would own would be up to the landowner. Distributism isn't just about farming, as I'm sure you know. Chester-Belloc's view was that non-farmers would be essential. A bakery, for example, that was independently owned, and strived to use locally-made ingredients could be a part of this system, or any shop that is independently owned and operated. For Chester-Belloc, it was about independent means of production, unhampered by corporate rules, control, and greed. A society that is independent in production, whether it be a farm or a shop, would be less likely to be manipulated by politics, or at least that's the theory. 

    You're right to ask about who would do the work, though, if everyone sits around and talks philosophy. Owning a real farm is hard, hard work. Not many Americans these days care to work that hard. So in reality, as much as I like the idea of distributism, I don't think that it can really ever work. Even Chesterton and Belloc didn't actually live that life; they just advocated for it. And they made a good case, for the most part. But that was back when men and women were able to work hard. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Distributism
    « Reply #28 on: March 14, 2025, 12:57:47 PM »
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  • And no strong man will  bother protect a well worn feminist if he has to make priority for his family.
    Not only well worn feminists but almost all women who are the blades of grass through which overt feminists slither. Those "innocuous" females are infected, more or less, with the same spirit, and they tacitly or subconsciously support the overt radical feminists, which helps allow them to exist. Men are, increasingly, waking up to it. And not only men with priority to their families but single men will not risk their own lives for a females unless a particular female has proven she has a good soul. Men are sick of the female privilege and lack of gratitude for men being used as cannon fodder.
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    Re: Distributism
    « Reply #29 on: March 14, 2025, 01:00:37 PM »
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  • Yes to both questions.
    The only thing we should fear is God.  If we are with God, then the angels and God have are back.  I don't understand why people act like only evil exists, and all the good is dead.  (Yes an over-exaggeration, I admit it, but I am frustrated.) 
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