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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: Isaac C Bishop on March 13, 2025, 06:31:46 AM
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My short piece on Distributism
Smith: Distributism | Commentary | rutlandherald.com (https://www.rutlandherald.com/opinion/commentary/smith-distributism/article_717bd60a-fcf8-11ef-a680-3f9e85c76176.html)
Unlike capitalism and socialism, which centralize power in national political parties and their corporate allies in D.C., distributism seeks to localize economic and political power. Its aim is to disperse land ownership, money, means of production, political power and so on, to families and local business owners rather than politicians and major corporations. The goal is to create as many self-sufficient families and communities as possible, free from government or corporate influence, and for all to achieve liberty by producing for themselves.
During the 19th and early 20th centuries, as governments raised taxes and imposed regulations while corporations manipulated the economy, millions in Europe were forced from their land, leaving them no choice but to migrate to cities to work in inhumane factory conditions. Distributism proposes a “third way” aimed at ensuring all families can own property and access the means of production. According to distributism, people ought to have liberty to provide for themselves without interference from outside forces or manipulation to serve the interests of a national economy, free from bosses or governmental forces, with rights to private property and the means of production for survival. In a distributist society, crafting, farming and different trades would be passed down the generations unhindered by outside forces. Further, distributism requires no property tax, no or few regulations, low taxation generally, no government bailouts or subsidies for major corporations, etc
Each family would constitute a small society, managing its own minor kingdom and producing for itself. Politics and economics would be localized within small, close-knit, like-minded communities that govern themselves, where trade and barter take place. Governance would be almost entirely at this local level. Only what could not be done at the family level would pass to the town level; only what could not be done at the town level would be managed at the county or state level. The higher level would do only what the lower level could not, so the government would be localized — there would be no need for centralized state or national political parties.
Undisturbed by an outside majority in Montpelier or D.C., self-government would be restored, allowing families to serve as the primary power bloc and local communities to control their own policies. This would allow for a wide diversity of systems, permitting us to move, live with, and be governed by like-minded people. One town might be libertarian, the next socialist, the next Republican, and so on. No distant majority would overpower political minorities, robbing them of the politics of their choice. The need for elections, politics, fundraising, etc., would dissipate; hatred, anger and frustration over these issues would disperse.
Many issues Vermonters care about would be solved. We could significantly reduce motor vehicle travel and CO2 emissions by decentralizing our economy and food system. People would be less reliant on cars, as many would live close to where they work, leading to fewer car accidents and less anxiety associated with a fast-paced lifestyle.
Additionally, we could eliminate the use of harmful chemicals, plastics, preservatives and other substances that contaminate our planet’s air and water — and our bodies. These chemicals and packaging materials are often necessary to preserve food for long-distance transport in our heavily subsidized factory-food system. Furthermore, many of these substances are utilized to keep animals alive in inhumane conditions within factory farming operations.
The tomato you buy at the grocery store has been bred to endure travel in a cardboard box, not with your health in mind. Many health issues and costs are due to the chemical-ridden, nutrient-deficient food we eat; those would be alleviated. Free-range organic farming would return, allowing local farmers to thrive without profit pressures, property taxes or strict regulations. They wouldn’t have to compete with subsidized factory food, creating an open, local market instead.
Cheaper, healthier food, less pollution, more liberty, strengthened family life, more local control: What’s not to like about distributism?
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Are there any existing "distributist" societies anywhere in the world?
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Very unfortunately this website contains disgusting slander against national socialism
https://archive.is/IvNbx#collusion
By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
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Are there any existing "distributist" societies anywhere in the world?
Possibly small, tight-knit, isolated rural communities.
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Very unfortunately this website contains disgusting slander against national socialism
https://archive.is/IvNbx#collusion
slander | ˈslandər | noun Law the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation. • a false and malicious spoken statement
If you can provide irrefutable proof of any falsehood on my site, I will correct it when Judaism 2.0 goes live within the next few months.
Don't waste my time or yours expecting that I will adopt your opinions. If you have irrefutable facts, I will certainly correct the record, but I have zero interest in resurrecting or canonizing a failed political experiment or its flawed leader.
My site was intended to be and I believe it was a truly Catholic source on Judaism. As a Catholic I owe a debt of honesty to National Socialism. To the best of my ability I paid that debt of honesty. I have no debt to whitewash National Socialism, to wear "rose-colored glasses," or to parrot hagiography about National Socialism or its idols.
Ich strebe eine Rückkehr zum Christentum an, nicht eine Rückkehr zum Nationalsozialismus, klar?
You linked to the section on Zionist/nαzι Collusion. I believe the record of that collusion is clear and incontrovertible. If you can indeed prove otherwise, I will correct the record. Otherwise you can build your own site to promote your opinions.
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Ich strebe eine Rückkehr zum Christentum an, nicht eine Rückkehr zum Nationalsozialismus, klar?
What would a Christian society look like?
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What's this threads issue with Distributism? The Only sound Post-Enlightenment Economic formula if you ask me.
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Very unfortunately this website contains disgusting slander against national socialism
https://archive.is/IvNbx#collusion
By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Why do you favour NS? It part of the fruits of Liberalism. Genuinely curious on a Political level why any would support NS
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What's this threads issue with Distributism? The Only sound Post-Enlightenment Economic formula if you ask me.
So everyone becomes farmers, regardless of their skill set? Not every skill is measured by some physical production of something.
Is this idea even practical? I think it depends too much on society, as we know it, being completely destroyed and then maybe it can be built up this way.
Just throwing my thoughts out there.
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What's this threads issue with Distributism? The Only sound Post-Enlightenment Economic formula if you ask me.
I don't see how a plethora of other economic systems couldn't fit into a Catholic social order.
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So everyone becomes farmers, regardless of their skill set? Not every skill is measured by some physical production of something.
When the balloon goes up, and it's gonna happen, your loved ones and you better have some physical skills in something, or it's game over.
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Are there any existing "distributist" societies anywhere in the world?
Probably Arkhaven and Shofar Mountain.
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When the balloon goes up, and it's gonna happen, your loved ones and you better have some physical skills in something, or it's game over.
(Said with a sarcastic frustrated tone)
So basically, since I am the only woman among my loved ones, I should just prepare to die.
Because if I ask for help, I am throwing my family under the bus, and if I make things happen I am controlling. I can't win.
(The only real thing one can do)
I will leave it to God.
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(Said with a sarcastic frustrated tone)
So basically, since I am the only woman among my loved ones, I should just prepare to die.
Because if I ask for help, I am throwing my family under the bus, and if I make things happen I am controlling. I can't win.
(The only real thing one can do)
I will leave it to God.
First of all, learn to read.
Second, things are gonna get real ugly for women when the balloon goes up. Women better have mentally, emotionally and physically strong men in their lives when it happens, because men will be unleashing a fury against females when there is no more government and law enforcement to sustain the female delusion after the many decades of feminism and assault on men. There are 10's of millions of biological pressure cookers walking around in America, right now. I'm not saying it's right. It's just the reality.
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Are there any existing "distributist" societies anywhere in the world?
In Spain and in England
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First of all, learn to read.
Second, things are gonna get real ugly for women when the balloon goes up. Women better have mentally, emotionally and physically strong men in their lives when it happens, because men will be unleashing a fury against females when there is no more government and law enforcement to sustain the female delusion after the many decades of feminism and assault on men. There are 10's of millions of biological pressure cookers walking around in America, right now. I'm not saying it's right. It's just the reality.
Learn to read? Explain.
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Learn to read? Explain.
In a 'no rules' environement like during a war, women will be raped en mass, mostly by immigrants but not only. Even the feminists with black belts in krav maga will suffer. Things were bad enough in the 20th century wars, but now with porn addiction and the total breakdown of morality, women with no strong man to protect them will be victims. And no strong man will bother protect a well worn feminist if he has to make priority for his family.
When the Costa Concordia capsized in 2012, the Captain was one of the first off the ship and the male passengers trampled over the women to get to the lifeboats. Compare this to1912, when almost all women from the Titanic were saved.
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In a 'no rules' environement like during a war, women will be raped en mass, mostly by immigrants but not only. Even the feminists with black belts in krav maga will suffer. Things were bad enough in the 20th century wars, but now with porn addiction and the total breakdown of morality, women with no strong man to protect them will be victims. And no strong man will bother protect a well worn feminist if he has to make priority for his family.
When the Costa Concordia capsized in 2012, the Captain was one of the first off the ship and the male passengers trampled over the women to get to the lifeboats. Compare this to1912, when almost all women from the Titanic were saved.
I understand all what are you are saying. I am not naive.
The first thing WWCS said was learn to read without any reference. I wanted to know his reference point.
Learn to read about history? Learn to read about distributism?
Learn to read because I misunderstood his post?
Please WWCS let me know what you meant, I don't want to infer the wrong thing.
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When the Costa Concordia capsized in 2012, the Captain was one of the first off the ship and the male passengers trampled over the women to get to the lifeboats. Compare this to1912, when almost all women from the Titanic were saved.
On the Costa Concordia 32 people died out of 4000+ people and you are likening that to the Titanic? Then you are using it to tell me how afraid women should be when all hell breaks out? Am I missing something?
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On the Costa Concordia 32 people died out of 4000+ people and you are likening that to the Titanic? Then you are using it to tell me how afraid women should be when all hell breaks out? Am I missing something?
The costa capsized like two hundred feet from the shore. It was a high-survivability event, and STILL the men didn't give a hoot about the women.
The Titanic was a low-survivability event, and nevertheless, the men aboard saw first to the safety of the women.
The point is that among the myriad of social degenerations over the last ~75 years, there is no collective sense of gallantry among men toward women-- not even in minor emergencies like the Costa, never mind in major emergencies.
Do you seriously doubt this? What are you arguing about?
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In Spain and in England
Could you elaborate on the Distributist communities in Spain and England? I've not heard of them before. I'm a strong supporter of distributism, and a big fan of Chester-Belloc's views on the subject.
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On the Costa Concordia 32 people died out of 4000+ people and you are likening that to the Titanic? Then you are using it to tell me how afraid women should be when all hell breaks out? Am I missing something?
Yes to both questions.
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In college I wrote a twenty-page paper on Distributism, and, I must confess, I know less about Distributism now than I did before writing the paper. Is Distributism based on a barter system? If we barter, is money involved? How much land am I allowed to own? Distributism reminds me of the late Transcendentalist Movement in Indiana, of which Orestes Brownson was a founding member. The only problem with the Transcendentalists is that they all wanted to sit on the farm and talk philosophy. If everyone sits and talks philosophy, who does the work?
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The first thing WWCS said was learn to read without any reference. I wanted to know his reference point.
Learn to read what I first wrote you on this thread, ding bat. Your response is a strawman.
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Learn to read what I first wrote you on this thread, ding bat. Your response is a strawman.
Game over is such a nihilistic response. The game is never over. Death leads to eternity, the only thing I need to worry about is "Am I right with God?"
No strawmen involved.
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Game over is such a nihilistic response. The game is never over. Death leads to eternity, the only thing I need to worry about is "Am I right with God?"
No strawmen involved.
As a general rule, violent deaths inflict chaos on the mind-- something that makes it more difficult to have the right disposition. The martyrs are the exception, not the rule. Martyrdom is a grace from God, and it's safer to assume it's a grace we won't be granted.
Of all the things to pick an argument about this has to be one of the dumbest. It would make more sense to argue that the balloon won't go up than it would to argue that if it does it's no problem for women (however pious they are).
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In college I wrote a twenty-page paper on Distributism, and, I must confess, I know less about Distributism now than I did before writing the paper. Is Distributism based on a barter system? If we barter, is money involved? How much land am I allowed to own? Distributism reminds me of the late Transcendentalist Movement in Indiana, of which Orestes Brownson was a founding member. The only problem with the Transcendentalists is that they all wanted to sit on the farm and talk philosophy. If everyone sits and talks philosophy, who does the work?
There seems to be quite a few opinions as to what distributism would look like, in reality. I don't think that a barter system, for example, would work except as an occasional practice. How much land one would own would be up to the landowner. Distributism isn't just about farming, as I'm sure you know. Chester-Belloc's view was that non-farmers would be essential. A bakery, for example, that was independently owned, and strived to use locally-made ingredients could be a part of this system, or any shop that is independently owned and operated. For Chester-Belloc, it was about independent means of production, unhampered by corporate rules, control, and greed. A society that is independent in production, whether it be a farm or a shop, would be less likely to be manipulated by politics, or at least that's the theory.
You're right to ask about who would do the work, though, if everyone sits around and talks philosophy. Owning a real farm is hard, hard work. Not many Americans these days care to work that hard. So in reality, as much as I like the idea of distributism, I don't think that it can really ever work. Even Chesterton and Belloc didn't actually live that life; they just advocated for it. And they made a good case, for the most part. But that was back when men and women were able to work hard.
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And no strong man will bother protect a well worn feminist if he has to make priority for his family.
Not only well worn feminists but almost all women who are the blades of grass through which overt feminists slither. Those "innocuous" females are infected, more or less, with the same spirit, and they tacitly or subconsciously support the overt radical feminists, which helps allow them to exist. Men are, increasingly, waking up to it. And not only men with priority to their families but single men will not risk their own lives for a females unless a particular female has proven she has a good soul. Men are sick of the female privilege and lack of gratitude for men being used as cannon fodder.
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Yes to both questions.
The only thing we should fear is God. If we are with God, then the angels and God have are back. I don't understand why people act like only evil exists, and all the good is dead. (Yes an over-exaggeration, I admit it, but I am frustrated.)
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As a general rule, violent deaths inflict chaos on the mind-- something that makes it more difficult to have the right disposition. The martyrs are the exception, not the rule. Martyrdom is a grace from God, and it's safer to assume it's a grace we won't be granted.
Of all the things to pick an argument about this has to be one of the dumbest. It would make more sense to argue that the balloon won't go up than it would to argue that if it does it's no problem for women (however pious they are).
The argument is that we are all going to suffer when the balloon goes up. Why single out women?
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Game over is such a nihilistic response. The game is never over. Death leads to eternity, the only thing I need to worry about is "Am I right with God?"
No strawmen involved.
You have a debt to your family in regards to their temporal welfare. Yes, the state of your soul is your most important concern, but a parent failing to do what they can to provide & care for their children and spouse is sinful. "Leaving it up to God" isn't going to help if you do not do what you can for your family's temporal needs.
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Could you elaborate on the Distributist communities in Spain and England?
Just ignore my other posts, because it is not going to go anywhere useful. I want to know this as well.
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Game over is such a nihilistic response. The game is never over. Death leads to eternity, the only thing I need to worry about is "Am I right with God?"
No strawmen involved.
Your strawman is that I discourage you from empowering yourself to survive what's coming. If you read your ridiculous subsequent comments, that is what you partly argued against (the strawman). But in fact I said exactly, "your loved ones and you better have some physical skills in something, or it's game over".
Ding bat. But you try to avoid your fallacy by accusing me of nihilism.
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The argument is that we are all going to suffer when the balloon goes up. Why single out women?
Because they are weaker. And because if they lack strong and loyal men around them, they are even weaker than usual. That makes them more vulnerable. Which makes it more likely for them to be violently raped and killed.
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The only thing we should fear is God. If we are with God, then the angels and God have are back. I don't understand why people act like only evil exists, and all the good is dead. (Yes an over-exaggeration, I admit it, but I am frustrated.)
I agree. There are many examples of the protection provided by Divine Providence, if the one needing protection loves and is devoted to God with all of his or her heart, mind and soul.
It can be more fun or entertaining, for some, to think of only the bad, and to forget about the goodness of God. Our fallen nature lends itself more to thinking only of the bad.
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(Said with a sarcastic frustrated tone)
So basically, since I am the only woman among my loved ones, I should just prepare to die.
Because if I ask for help, I am throwing my family under the bus, and if I make things happen I am controlling. I can't win.
(The only real thing one can do)
I will leave it to God.
This was said with sarcasm and humor. I even said it was that and everyone took it so seriously. Oh wait! I see now it was the sarcastic frustrated tone I used. It was because I say I am frustrated. I am frustrated. I am frustrated with Catholic men on the internet taking every opportunity to put me in my place because they what? I don't know. :cowboy: Feel it's their duty? I am nobody to them, so why does it matter.
Then you all turned it into women beware they are going to come for you.
Back to distributism.
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I agree. There are many examples of the protection provided by Divine Providence, if the one needing protection loves and is devoted to God with all of his or her heart, mind and soul.
It can be more fun or entertaining, for some, to think of only the bad, and to forget about the goodness of God. Our fallen nature lends itself more to thinking only of the bad.
Thank you and well said. :cowboy:
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I agree. There are many examples of the protection provided by Divine Providence, if the one needing protection loves and is devoted to God with all of his or her heart, mind and soul.
It can be more fun or entertaining, for some, to think of only the bad, and to forget about the goodness of God. Our fallen nature lends itself more to thinking only of the bad.
So the German sisters and nuns in their convents, who were raped and murdered by the invading commie jew Soviets during WWII, didn't love God with all their hearts, minds and souls. Their devotion was not up to God's satisfaction.
It's incredible that you and Gray go to bed every night with your doors and windows unlocked because, hey, God has your back and He doesn't require you to do your part in your own security. You're such uber pious living saints, therefore, you can just leave it all to God. You don't even have to fuel up your car because God will instantly keep your tank full so you can keep driving.
You don't get to choose the place, day or hour when evil comes to visit you. Be prepared. Be capable.
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So the German sisters and nuns in their convents, who were raped and murdered by the invading commie jew Soviets during WWII, didn't love God with all their hearts, minds and souls. Their devotion was not up to God's satisfaction.
It's incredible that you and Gray go to bed every night with your doors and windows unlocked because, hey, God has your back and He doesn't require you to do your part in your own security. You're such uber pious living saints, therefore, you can just leave it all to God. You don't even have to fuel up your car because God will instantly keep your tank full so you can keep driving.
You don't get to choose the place, day or hour when evil comes to visit you. Be prepared. Be capable.
And if I am raped and murder that was God's plan for me. Your thought process is convoluted by your own ideas. My point is that I accept God's will for me and live my life accordingly. Stop making it something different.
What good is all this fear mongering? It comes directly frome the evil one. If we are worried or scared we are easier to attack.
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You don't get to choose the place, day or hour when evil comes to visit you. Be prepared. Be capable.
True. But being prepared isn't just about locking one's doors and windows, or being able to defend oneself, or having a strong man about. It also (mainly) has to do with love, trust, and devotion to Our Lord and his Blessed Mother. Or is it only about the physical world (and what we can see with our eyes) that's important for you?
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Game over is such a nihilistic response. The game is never over. Death leads to eternity, the only thing I need to worry about is "Am I right with God?"
No strawmen involved.
"The game" is absolutely over once you die, your place in eternity being the "prize" you have won. "I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith"
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And if I am raped and murder that was God's plan for me.
:facepalm:
God never plans evil upon His children.
Now, you're backpedaling because you have been made to realize how retarded your "I'm so pious that I can remain idle and God will protect me" argument is.
What good is all this fear mongering? It comes directly frome the evil one. If we are worried or scared we are easier to attack
There is no fear-mongering. God even tells us to be prepared and watchful.
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True. But being prepared isn't just about locking one's doors and windows, or being able to defend oneself, or having a strong man about. It also (mainly) has to do with love, trust, and devotion to Our Lord and his Blessed Mother.
No shit, Sherlock.
Or is it only about the physical world (and what we can see with our eyes) that's important for you?
That's your implied strawman because you now realize you've lost the argument.
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No shit, Sherlock.
That's your implied strawman because you now realize you've lost the argument.
What argument have I lost?
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Your strawman is that I discourage you from empowering yourself to survive what's coming. If you read your ridiculous subsequent comments, that is what you partly argued against (the strawman). But in fact I said exactly, "your loved ones and you better have some physical skills in something, or it's game over".
Ding bat. But you try to avoid your fallacy by accusing me of nihilism.
So you want me a woman to empower myself, but at the same time not become a feminist. Is that what you are saying?
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True. But being prepared isn't just about locking one's doors and windows, or being able to defend oneself, or having a strong man about. It also (mainly) has to do with love, trust, and devotion to Our Lord and his Blessed Mother. Or is it only about the physical world (and what we can see with our eyes) that's important for you?
I hope you nice ladies have smart strong men to do the thinking for you.
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I hope you nice ladies have smart strong men to do the thinking for you.
:facepalm:
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So you want me a woman to empower myself, but at the same time not become a feminist. Is that what you are saying?
Learn some homesteading. Plant seeds and learn to grow food. Learn self-defense. Your husband and sons can't be around you 24/7 to protect you. Stuff like that.
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Learn some homesteading. Plant seeds and learn to grow food. Learn self-defense. Your husband and sons can't be around you 24/7 to protect you. Stuff like that.
My dad already taught me that stuff. So I guess I have nothing to worry about.
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My dad already taught me that stuff. So I guess I have nothing to worry about.
With your attitude and mentality, you should be worried.
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"The game" is absolutely over once you die, your place in eternity being the "prize" you have won. "I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith"
True, so you better be working on listening and do God's will.
Now distributism in France and Spain, what does that look like?
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Why should we trust the Jєωιѕн sources like Ben Hecht, the coin is just a coin likely fabricated after the war just like all the gas chambers
Jews got expelled from Europe literally all throughout the Middle Ages. Havaara was an attempt to expel them.
the nαzι policy was containment and expulsion and it was the exact same thing that was done during Christendom, Palestine was a stupid idea which is why the final solution was not in fact Palestine but Madagascar, now Madagascar is still a stupid solution because it has natives
Pius XII (the pope who “saved” a bunch of Jews) was really helping Hitler out once you realise that the nαzι policy was containment and EXPUSLSION, we see that neither side broke the reichkonkordat.
Leopold Frankenberger didn’t even exist. There is no record of him even being a person, and look at pictures of Hitler, that is not a big nose
The Jews want you to beleive Hitler was one of them because they HATE him why because he was the great catholic monarch. Also if the GCM isn’t already gone that means we are still awaiting him and that this is not the time of the antichrist, they Jews want you to believe that so that can keep you accepting the whore of Babylon as the true church of Christ
The idea that Hitler was one of them is not consistent with all of his other actions not with the actions of the Vatican
Is the consecration to the immaculate heart was done properly he would have won
Dolfuss wouldn’t have allowed Anschluss he had to go
And remember
Hecht was a Jєωιѕн Hollywood producer and screen writer
why would you beleive the narrative of a Jew like Hecht
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Also why would you beleive anything said at the KANGAROO COURT Nuremberg
You are being absolutely played by the Jew and probably mason ben Hecht
Jim condit jrs video contained basically the same stuff I already addressed and a bunch of things from the ʝʊdɛօ-?mason? Hecht
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And what does this have to do with distributism?
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I agree with Meg. It wouldn’t work today.
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And what does this have to do with distributism?
Look at the first page
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My facts arent irrefutable but neither are his.
I guess we will find out on judgement day
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My facts arent irrefutable but neither are his.
I guess we will find out on judgement day
And how do we apply any of that to the moment we live in now?
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And how do we apply any of that to the moment we live in now?
We must prepare for the antichrist because the age of consolation is over.
it perfectly matches the biblical parallels, the age of consolation was the time between the Lateran treaty and the death of the last true pope, H.H. Pius XII. Bergoglio is the false prophet and probably the antichrist (he is almost certainly iwish)
we will not continue this discussion on this thread because it is as you said unrealated to distributism, I am sorry for even bringing it up. If he wants to respond to me though this isn’t me saying “don’t respond” he should feel free to respond.
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Could feudalism during Christendom be considered de facto distributism, while the peasants technically didn’t have the title to the land, they still in practice worked on it and lived in it soooo
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Could feudalism during Christendom be considered de facto distributism, while the peasants technically didn’t have the title to the land, they still in practice worked on it and lived in it soooo
What is a good source on how to better understand feudalism?
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What is a good source on how to better understand feudalism?
serville state by belloc, he basically admits that feudalism was the first practical implementation of distributism
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This discussion on the Commons is very instructive https://youtu.be/NP3yma0sERw? (https://youtu.be/NP3yma0sERw?)
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What is a good source on how to better understand feudalism?
My book titled Missing Monarchy!
I have a few upcoming articles on the Middle Ages and distributism. I will post after they are published.