Robert Sungenis had dared to pull the leg of Lawrence Krauss and others, in revenge they sent out Dubay, and now we have half of CIF members following Dubay, or at least thinking about it.

Just in case that some readers might not have understood this comment.

Robert Sungenis is the guy who challenged godless modern physicists and astronomers. And he did excellently. He even managed to personally pull the leg of Lawrence Krauss and other establishment celebrities.

But Krauss and the rest of the establishment fought back, and sent us Dubay and the flat earth crowd. To destroy Sungenis. To suggest that Galilei was wrong, the Church was wrong, and Eric Dubay is right.

Unfortunately, many CI members fall for the flat BS.

Just in case that some readers might not have understood this comment.

Robert Sungenis is the guy who challenged godless modern physicists and astronomers. And he did excellently. He even managed to personally pull the leg of Lawrence Krauss and other establishment celebrities.

But Krauss and the rest of the establishment fought back, and sent us Dubay and the flat earth crowd. To destroy Sungenis. To suggest that Galilei was wrong, the Church was wrong, and Eric Dubay is right.

Unfortunately, many CI members fall for the flat BS.

Sure.  Any proof for this?  Dubay wrote his first books dealing with Flat Earth in 2008/2009.  If Dubay was sent to discredit heliocentrism, then why has Jєωtube repeatedly cancelled his channels and why are Google, Facebook, LinkedIn (and a host of others), i.e. Big Tech censoring Flat Earth?

Dubay got his information from about 8-9 19th-century books regarding Flat Earth.  He created PDF copies of them and even narrated an audiobook of one of them years before The Principle was a twinkle in Sungenis' eye.

I'm not a big fan of Dubay (he's a new-agey Buddhist), but I have to reject your completely fabricated assertion that FE is a disinfo campaign to get back at Sungenis.

Feel yourself free to link and quote Dubay, 2008.


Looking up his literature list, he's in flat earth not before 2015.

You're making the allegation.  Where's your proof ... other than what you pulled from the recesses of your posterior?

I already linked to his first book in 2008 with a flat earth picture on the cover, and the 2009 (The Atlantaean Conspiracy) in which he devoted a chapter.  He contacted Alex Jones, and there's video of Alex Jones ridiculing him (I think it was 2010), where he says "Some Flat Earthers even tried to contact me.  Flat Earth is ridiculous.  But even they contacted me, claiming it was part of some kind of Atlantean conspiracy (the name of Dubay's book published in 2009).

Explain then, within the paradigm of your theory (completely made up), why Jewtube deleted his channel twice and why Big Tech are censoring search results on Flat Earth.

You're making the allegation.  Where's your proof ... other than what you pulled from the recesses of your posterior?

I already linked to his first book in 2008 with a flat earth picture on the cover, and the 2009 (The Atlantaean Conspiracy) in which he devoted a chapter.  He contacted Alex Jones, and there's video of Alex Jones ridiculing him (I think it was 2010), where he says "Some Flat Earthers even tried to contact me.  Flat Earth is ridiculous.  But even they contacted me, claiming it was part of some kind of Atlantean conspiracy (the name of Dubay's book published in 2009).

Explain then, within the paradigm of your theory (completely made up), why Jєωtube deleted his channel twice and why Big Tech are censoring search results on Flat Earth.

I freely admit and confess that I can't prove that Dubay was presenting flat earth before 2015. If you, Ladislaus, can, go ahead. Readers want to know.

That's very simple, Ladislaus.

With respect to a flat earth theory, how about a disc suspended by four elephants who ride on the great turtle Atuin?  (for those familiar with Terry Pratchett and his fantasy/comedy works)

With respect to a flat earth theory...

With the same kind and degree of respect towards yourself, i.e. zero, go get stuffed, dude.

GladiusV, I think a large portion of CI members are mentally-challenged when it comes to reading comprehension.  I've seen it too many times.  They don't grasp what was written.

True, but it also doesn't mean Sungenis is a good scientist.

Do you think Sungenis is wrong in claiming Geocentrism is the true state of the universe?

Because as far as I know currently, we still can't prove either Heliocentrism nor Geocentrism empirically, as all of your observations are relative to our frame of reference - we'd need a second frame of reference to actually find out. If we ever landed on another celestial body we could find out - there are going to be landings on Moon and Mars in the next few years if all goes according to plan, it'll be exciting to get all those new findings for sure.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Also, I know I'm opening a can of worms by saying this, but I find it difficult to take Holy Scripture literally in scientific matters. Take for example this passage from Genesis 1, 14:

¹⁴ And God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to separate the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years, ¹⁵ and let them be lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light upon the earth.” And it was so. ¹⁶ And God made the two great lights, the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night; he made the stars also.

On first glance, this sounds like a description of Sun and Moon in the poetic style of Genesis by a terrestrial observer. As we now know, the Moon is only reflecting light and isn't a light source per se, so how can this passage be taken literally? The same problem applies to all the other arguments regarding flat Earth, the Earth dome, Geocentrism and so on.