Quote from: s2srea

And this is relevant to the discussion how?

I just felt like mentioning it.  :wink:

Anyway...in terms of Bishop Williamson while he was brave to take a stand like that there is a lot more to the Jews than just doubts about the h0Ɩ0cαųst, their role in cultural Marxism for instance.

Bishop Williamson certainly knows there's more to the Jews than the h0Ɩ0h0αx. You're not giving him enough credit.

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Don't pull the "charity" card on my mister innocent, I'm fresh out.

Yes Bp Williamson has done his share questioning the holahoax, but this guy BN really gets to the core of the Jєωιѕн onslaught on Church and culture.

And this drives the Zio-philes nuts.

The guy doesn't even claim to be Catholic.. what church are you talking about?

You are really a mole here.

What's that have to do with anything? Even if he's Orthodox, he still talking about the Church universal ( See Catholic), the body of Christ which is being attacked by carnivorous Judaics.

The very same group which you seem to go out of your way to protect and derail the discussion about, if anyone's a mole here, it's you.

Or something that rhymes with mole.

I would be inclined to think that, because his bishop seemed to know exactly who he was and he seemed to know a lot about him.  Also, Br. Nathanael referred me to the bishop.  

Wow, the fact he had to refer you to a particular Bishop didn't set off any red flags?  You can really find out alot about this guy simply by searching his real name on the internet,
http://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=toolbar-instant&hl=en&ion=1&qscrl=1&nord=1&rlz=1T4ADRA_enCA386CA386#hl=en&qscrl=1&nord=1&rlz=1T4ADRA_enCA386CA386&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=milton%20l.%20kapner&oq=&aq=&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=&pbx=1&fp=f16e275ddabd83c&ion=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1382&bih=715

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My dear brothers and sisters,

I was in an Orthodox monastery in Boston for 6 years, but then, not
knowing what I was getting into, went to a more "secluded" Orthodox
Christian monastery in the mountains of Buena Vista CO.

To let you all know more about this monastery that was actually
a "cult," here is an excerpt of a letter I sent off to the
Government Officials and Churches of Buena Vista CO. (I left
this "cult-monastery" in July of 2005.)

- March 4 2006
TO THE GOVERMENT AND CHURCH OFFICIALS OF BUENA VISTA COLORADO

I write this affirmation as A WARNING for all who might entertain
joining Dormition Skete Monastery or Archbishop Gregory's 'church,'
that they would be joining A CULT.

Taking full responsibility for the following statements, I now list
my reasons for this, my testimony, of cultic-activities with respect
to archbishop Gregory and his operations:

1) I, Sub Deacon Nathaniel Kapner, (Milton L Kapner), was a member
of Dormition Skete Monastery from February 1, 2004 until June 25,
2005, when priest-monk Peter Wheeler put me in Jail for stealing my
own "monk's uniform," (I produced a letter to the police afterwards
of proof of my ownership), and Archbishbp Gregory fully supported
him!

2) Archbishbp. Gregory instills "fear" into his monks, "nun," and
parishioners, by stating that he, by virtue of his office as
a "right-confessing" bishop, is the only true 'church' left on
earth. Thus, if a monk, nun, or parishioner should entertain leaving
him, he or she fears that he or she is doomed to Hell! ...
[END OF EXCERPT]

I invite you all to visit my Live Journal @
http://sbn-nathanael.livejournal.com/ for a fuller expose' of how
an Orthodox Monastery, (which I believe can serve a very good
purpost if run according to Orthodox rules), can become a cult!
--
Brother Nathanael +monk
"WARNING! THIS MONASTERY IS A CULT!" @
http://sbn-nathanael.livejournal.com/
(scroll down one article for more "cultic activity")

Number 2 there sounds just like the SSPX, if you aren't a part of the true Catholic faith then your doomed to hell basically.  Gotta love the online Ministers of the internets.

 
 

Quote from: Marcelino

I would be inclined to think that, because his bishop seemed to know exactly who he was and he seemed to know a lot about him.  Also, Br. Nathanael referred me to the bishop.  

Wow, the fact he had to refer you to a particular Bishop didn't set off any red flags?  You can really find out alot about this guy simply by searching his real name on the internet,
http://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=toolbar-instant&hl=en&ion=1&qscrl=1&nord=1&rlz=1T4ADRA_enCA386CA386#hl=en&qscrl=1&nord=1&rlz=1T4ADRA_enCA386CA386&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=milton%20l.%20kapner&oq=&aq=&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=&pbx=1&fp=f16e275ddabd83c&ion=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1382&bih=715

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My dear brothers and sisters,

I was in an Orthodox monastery in Boston for 6 years, but then, not
knowing what I was getting into, went to a more "secluded" Orthodox
Christian monastery in the mountains of Buena Vista CO.

To let you all know more about this monastery that was actually
a "cult," here is an excerpt of a letter I sent off to the
Government Officials and Churches of Buena Vista CO. (I left
this "cult-monastery" in July of 2005.)

- March 4 2006
TO THE GOVERMENT AND CHURCH OFFICIALS OF BUENA VISTA COLORADO

I write this affirmation as A WARNING for all who might entertain
joining Dormition Skete Monastery or Archbishop Gregory's 'church,'
that they would be joining A CULT.

Taking full responsibility for the following statements, I now list
my reasons for this, my testimony, of cultic-activities with respect
to archbishop Gregory and his operations:

1) I, Sub Deacon Nathaniel Kapner, (Milton L Kapner), was a member
of Dormition Skete Monastery from February 1, 2004 until June 25,
2005, when priest-monk Peter Wheeler put me in Jail for stealing my
own "monk's uniform," (I produced a letter to the police afterwards
of proof of my ownership), and Archbishbp Gregory fully supported
him!

2) Archbishbp. Gregory instills "fear" into his monks, "nun," and
parishioners, by stating that he, by virtue of his office as
a "right-confessing" bishop, is the only true 'church' left on
earth. Thus, if a monk, nun, or parishioner should entertain leaving
him, he or she fears that he or she is doomed to Hell! ...
[END OF EXCERPT]

I invite you all to visit my Live Journal @
http://sbn-nathanael.livejournal.com/ for a fuller expose' of how
an Orthodox Monastery, (which I believe can serve a very good
purpost if run according to Orthodox rules), can become a cult!
--
Brother Nathanael +monk
"WARNING! THIS MONASTERY IS A CULT!" @
http://sbn-nathanael.livejournal.com/
(scroll down one article for more "cultic activity")

Number 2 there sounds just like the SSPX, if you aren't a part of the true Catholic faith then your doomed to hell basically.  Gotta love the online Ministers of the internets.

 
 

Andjew, why don't you get these "letters" from Br Nathanael's official websites such as Real Jew News and The Brother Nathanael Foundation? Is it because they don't exist?

Another thing, although SSPX believe Christians outside the Catholic faith are in defect and a far less perfect road to salvation than the true Catholic Faith, the SSPX believe in salvation outside the Catholic faith, too, as long as they are Christians who believe and serve Christ, and they're not in the state of mortal sin.  

Andjew, you don't have any facts. The only thing you have contributed here is disinformation.

"The greatest thing about the internet is you can quote something and just make up the source" ~ Thomas Jefferson

Quote from: s2srea

I may not agree with Sigismund on The Jєωιѕн Question, I happen to agree with most other members here on principles; though I do believe there can be obsession on the issue- when the focus becomes more about Jew's than Jesus Christ, there's a problem. Its good to know about who the Banksters are; who controls the media and how it corrupts our children; etc.

However, I wanted to say that I am disgusted by the utter vitriol spewed here. I understand we disagree with him, but Sigismund, in disagreeing with who this Brother Nathaniel is (or isn't- frankly I'd never heard of him until now), did so in a charitable manner- citing what he knew to be factual and logical. He also cited sources from e-mails he'd received from Orthodox officials only to be responded to with "put up or shut up" saying he was spewing "damn calumny".
 Give me a break.

On behalf of Trad's, Sigismund- I'm sorry for these obtuse comments you find on here....

Well, I haven't seen any "sources" about any of the misinfo we were spoon fed about BN legitimacy. Maybe i'm wrong, but i'm not going back eight pages to verify it, so he should produce actual emails to back himself up to prove BN isn't affiliated with the ROCOR. Otherwise like Marcelino said, stuff a sock in it.

And speaking of "calumny", you don't seem to have a problem with some on here bashing BN credibility without a shred of evidence, other than he's some kind of "nutjob".

Whatever this ex-Jew affiliation with the OC is irrelevant to me, the point is he is exposing тαℓмυdic Jews for their usurping ways when no one else has the balls to do it, so, he's OK in my book.

And I don't want to hear anything about him being a "schismatic" which has nothing to do with what he's doing and he damn sure doesn't touch about any theological issues or attacks Rome in his videos. So give it a rest.

I did not save the actual emails.  I had no trouble believing that Marcelino was accurately and honestly representing wheat he was told by the Orthodox bishop he contacted even though it was inconsistent with what a ROCOR Archpriest told me.  I don't mind if you think the information I posted was in error.  It may have been.  I do mind if you are accusing me of dishonesty.

I may not agree with Sigismund on The Jєωιѕн Question, I happen to agree with most other members here on principles; though I do believe there can be obsession on the issue- when the focus becomes more about Jew's than Jesus Christ, there's a problem. Its good to know about who the Banksters are; who controls the media and how it corrupts our children; etc.

However, I wanted to say that I am disgusted by the utter vitriol spewed here. I understand we disagree with him, but Sigismund, in disagreeing with who this Brother Nathaniel is (or isn't- frankly I'd never heard of him until now), did so in a charitable manner- citing what he knew to be factual and logical. He also cited sources from e-mails he'd received from Orthodox officials only to be responded to with "put up or shut up" saying he was spewing "damn calumny".
 Give me a break.

On behalf of Trad's, Sigismund- I'm sorry for these obtuse comments you find on here....

Thank you.

Quote from: Marcelino

Quote from: Sigismund

That is certainly possible.  I think it is unlikely that the metropolitan would not know such things, but it could be that the person I talked to simply did not know and  lacked the time or motivation to investigate further.

I would be inclined to think that, because his bishop seemed to know exactly who he was and he seemed to know a lot about him.  Also, Br. Nathanael referred me to the bishop.  In regards to br. nathanael's perceived "oddness," that seems easily explained, given his apparent background.  So, I wouldn't see any reason to doubt the bishop.  And, seeing how many people are so offended by br. nathanael, I wouldn't be surprised if some folks weren't anxious to associate themselves with him.  

Also, I've noticed how some people successfully market themselves, by appearing "different" from everyone else.  He's certainly distinguished himself, in that regard.  So, that might have something to do with his success.  I don't see anything particularly wrong with it, provided it is restricted to certain venues (like not for a sunday morning sermon).  

Also, people like jeff rense (for example), seem to use oddness as a shield.  It's hard to imagine anybody treating jeff rense as badly as ernst zundel or bishop williamson were treated, precisely because he portrays himself as a nut!    I can't really fault a guy for that.  

Still, with your background, I can see how you might be inclined to think br. nathanael is a fake and perhaps even has a malicious agenda.  

 

My background?

I thought you said your son was an orthodox priest.