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Offline Marcelino

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Who is Brother Nathanael?
« Reply #60 on: June 15, 2012, 10:10:44 PM »
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  • Oh, and brother nathanael is not a "jew" anymore, he's a christian.  

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    « Reply #61 on: June 16, 2012, 08:25:03 AM »
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    So, anyone who says anything bad about Jews, no matter how clearly mentally ill  they are, has instant credibility?
    who the hell says he's "mentally ill".......you? Or Abe Foxman?

    That's the classic excuse for anyone who condemns anything about Judaics, all of the sudden they have a "mental disorder".

    Well you know what Sigge, I've got news for you, most of тαℓмυdic Judaism is a mental disorder, that's the point. Many Jews have all kinds of psychological issues as well as moral one's, that religion breeds insanity, yet with their interior compunction to project their chutzpah, they accuse everyone else what their guilty of, things like mental illness and "hate".

    Instead of feeling good for Bro Nathaniel breaking the cycle and escaping the ʝʊdɛօ-sphere you would rather condemn and reject him as nothing less than a "nutjob", yet you or not one poster on this thread can produce a single rebuttal for anything he has said in his videos.

    So I challenge you and others to show us that this Russian Orthodox is in error anywhere, especially when it comes to the chosen.



     



    I am not a mental health professional.  Maybe this sort of bizarre behavior is consistent with sanity.  To my non-clinical, non-professional eye, however, he looks pretty unbalanced.

    I have only watched two of his videos.  I have no intention of watching more.  In them, he made lots of statements of opinion, but backed  these opinions up with very little evidence for me or anyone else to refute.  

    I don't think Brother Nathaniel is actually Russian Orthodox at all, given that no Russian Orthodox jurisdiction I contacted would claim him.  However, if he is, the fact that he is Orthodox and not Catholic means he is "in error" about quite a lot.
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    Who is Brother Nathanael?
    « Reply #62 on: June 16, 2012, 09:01:03 AM »
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  • This Bro. Nathaniel looks pretty strange to me.

    However, the Jews foster hatred of non-Jews in all their literature, sacred and profane so it's really only natural that this would be noticed by even people who are outside the mainstream.

    Just like Popes are to be guardians of the deposit of faith, we as Catholics are to be guardians of our souls and anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear can figure out pretty quickly that the Jєωιѕн people in general wouldn't lose a wink of sleep if their activities caused a "gentile" to become condemned.  Harsh words, but true.  

    Pray for the Jews that they can renounce their spiritual wretchedness.  

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    « Reply #63 on: June 16, 2012, 05:59:37 PM »
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    LOL. This article was written by a Jew. He's lying and trying to discredit Brother Nathanael. That's what Jews do - they lie... and they smear people who expose their subversion, corruption, deception, manipulation, etc.


    Regardless if it was written by a jew, it was written before he was even "brother" Nathanael, so what is your point?  This was written before when he was a homeless jew still going to the ѕуηαgσgυє, and committed to a psych ward by his rabbi.

    It's quite scary how a jew can be thrown out by his fellow jews and then be accepted as a Monk, or he sometimes declares himself a subdeacon, yet there is no proof that backs up his lies.  I find it hilarious and scary at the same time that you think a jew can un jew himself overnight and speak about some common topics that everyone already knows about and you rabidly support him.  There's nothing new that he's saying, plus I find it questionable how a bunch of people like Frederick Toben will get locked up and censored, where as he's given free reign.  But then again, he looks like such a nutter, he does more damage then good in the end, which is why he's probably allowed free reign in his websites.  Like if you went from being a homeless jew to a fake Catholic αnтι-ѕємιтє and got to live in a house on the condition you uploaded youtube videos and operated a website, I'd really question the reason why he's doing all this.  I remember when I first came across him he was spouting that the war in the balkans as the beginning of WW3, and yet we still aren't there.  I also don't understand what Ramzpaul has to do with Milton L. Kapner other than they both upload youtube videos, but Ramzpaul is actually entertaining and you can tell when he's joking.

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    « Reply #64 on: June 16, 2012, 06:24:24 PM »
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    « Reply #65 on: June 16, 2012, 06:25:31 PM »
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    LOL. This article was written by a Jew. He's lying and trying to discredit Brother Nathanael. That's what Jews do - they lie... and they smear people who expose their subversion, corruption, deception, manipulation, etc.


    Regardless if it was written by a jew, it was written before he was even "brother" Nathanael, so what is your point?  This was written before when he was a homeless jew still going to the ѕуηαgσgυє, and committed to a psych ward by his rabbi.

    It's quite scary how a jew can be thrown out by his fellow jews and then be accepted as a Monk, or he sometimes declares himself a subdeacon, yet there is no proof that backs up his lies.  I find it hilarious and scary at the same time that you think a jew can un jew himself overnight and speak about some common topics that everyone already knows about and you rabidly support him.  There's nothing new that he's saying, plus I find it questionable how a bunch of people like Frederick Toben will get locked up and censored, where as he's given free reign.  But then again, he looks like such a nutter, he does more damage then good in the end, which is why he's probably allowed free reign in his websites.  Like if you went from being a homeless jew to a fake Catholic αnтι-ѕємιтє and got to live in a house on the condition you uploaded youtube videos and operated a website, I'd really question the reason why he's doing all this.  I remember when I first came across him he was spouting that the war in the balkans as the beginning of WW3, and yet we still aren't there.  I also don't understand what Ramzpaul has to do with Milton L. Kapner other than they both upload youtube videos, but Ramzpaul is actually entertaining and you can tell when he's joking.


    He was a Christian before this fabrication of an article was written... that's my point. Prove to me he was a "homeless Jew" at that time. You can't do it because he was a Christian at that time, AND he was not homeless. The Jew author Abel utterly lied about Br Nat.  

    If you question the authenticity of Br Nat being an Orthodox monastic novice, all you have to do is write his Patriarch/Bishop (whatever the Orthodox are called), and he will confirm to you Br Nat is one of them and in good standing. What would prevent you from writing him? Discovering the truth?

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    « Reply #66 on: June 16, 2012, 06:47:16 PM »
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  • ...... in fact, Brother Nathanael lived a monastic communal life from 1996-2005. Afterwards, he has been engaged in a public mission through his Street Evangelism efforts and as an Internet publicist. So, I'm mistaken when I called him a "novice". Also, if he was living in an Orthodox Christian monastic community in 2002, then how could he have been "homeless" and "attending a ѕуηαgσgυє", and subsequently "sent to a psych ward"?

    Again, if you don't believe he was an Orthodox monk in 2002, then write his superior to confirm it. He is with the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia. Write him.

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    « Reply #67 on: June 16, 2012, 10:33:34 PM »
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    LOL. This article was written by a Jew. He's lying and trying to discredit Brother Nathanael. That's what Jews do - they lie... and they smear people who expose their subversion, corruption, deception, manipulation, etc.


    Regardless if it was written by a jew, it was written before he was even "brother" Nathanael, so what is your point?  This was written before when he was a homeless jew still going to the ѕуηαgσgυє, and committed to a psych ward by his rabbi.

    It's quite scary how a jew can be thrown out by his fellow jews and then be accepted as a Monk, or he sometimes declares himself a subdeacon, yet there is no proof that backs up his lies.  I find it hilarious and scary at the same time that you think a jew can un jew himself overnight and speak about some common topics that everyone already knows about and you rabidly support him.  There's nothing new that he's saying, plus I find it questionable how a bunch of people like Frederick Toben will get locked up and censored, where as he's given free reign.  But then again, he looks like such a nutter, he does more damage then good in the end, which is why he's probably allowed free reign in his websites.  Like if you went from being a homeless jew to a fake Catholic αnтι-ѕємιтє and got to live in a house on the condition you uploaded youtube videos and operated a website, I'd really question the reason why he's doing all this.  I remember when I first came across him he was spouting that the war in the balkans as the beginning of WW3, and yet we still aren't there.  I also don't understand what Ramzpaul has to do with Milton L. Kapner other than they both upload youtube videos, but Ramzpaul is actually entertaining and you can tell when he's joking.


    He was a Christian before this fabrication of an article was written... that's my point. Prove to me he was a "homeless Jew" at that time. You can't do it because he was a Christian at that time, AND he was not homeless. The Jew author Abel utterly lied about Br Nat.  

    If you question the authenticity of Br Nat being an Orthodox monastic novice, all you have to do is write his Patriarch/Bishop (whatever the Orthodox are called), and he will confirm to you Br Nat is one of them and in good standing. What would prevent you from writing him? Discovering the truth?


    I contacted The Russian Orthodox Church outside Russia, the Orthodox Church in America, and the patriarchal Russian Orthodox hierarchy in the US.  All stated that he was not a monastic associated with them,  His garb is also not what an Orthodox monk would wear.  The white hat is clearly something he threw together.  Russian Orthodox priests wear pectoral crosses.  Monks who are not priests do not, even i they are "subdeacons."
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    « Reply #68 on: June 16, 2012, 10:38:29 PM »
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    LOL. This article was written by a Jew. He's lying and trying to discredit Brother Nathanael. That's what Jews do - they lie... and they smear people who expose their subversion, corruption, deception, manipulation, etc.


    Regardless if it was written by a jew, it was written before he was even "brother" Nathanael, so what is your point?  This was written before when he was a homeless jew still going to the ѕуηαgσgυє, and committed to a psych ward by his rabbi.

    It's quite scary how a jew can be thrown out by his fellow jews and then be accepted as a Monk, or he sometimes declares himself a subdeacon, yet there is no proof that backs up his lies.  I find it hilarious and scary at the same time that you think a jew can un jew himself overnight and speak about some common topics that everyone already knows about and you rabidly support him.  There's nothing new that he's saying, plus I find it questionable how a bunch of people like Frederick Toben will get locked up and censored, where as he's given free reign.  But then again, he looks like such a nutter, he does more damage then good in the end, which is why he's probably allowed free reign in his websites.  Like if you went from being a homeless jew to a fake Catholic αnтι-ѕємιтє and got to live in a house on the condition you uploaded youtube videos and operated a website, I'd really question the reason why he's doing all this.  I remember when I first came across him he was spouting that the war in the balkans as the beginning of WW3, and yet we still aren't there.  I also don't understand what Ramzpaul has to do with Milton L. Kapner other than they both upload youtube videos, but Ramzpaul is actually entertaining and you can tell when he's joking.


    He was a Christian before this fabrication of an article was written... that's my point. Prove to me he was a "homeless Jew" at that time. You can't do it because he was a Christian at that time, AND he was not homeless. The Jew author Abel utterly lied about Br Nat.  

    If you question the authenticity of Br Nat being an Orthodox monastic novice, all you have to do is write his Patriarch/Bishop (whatever the Orthodox are called), and he will confirm to you Br Nat is one of them and in good standing. What would prevent you from writing him? Discovering the truth?


    I contacted The Russian Orthodox Church outside Russia, the Orthodox Church in America, and the patriarchal Russian Orthodox hierarchy in the US.  All stated that he was not a monastic associated with them,  His garb is also not what an Orthodox monk would wear.  The white hat is clearly something he threw together.  Russian Orthodox priests wear pectoral crosses.  Monks who are not priests do not, even i they are "subdeacons."


    I contacted his bishop and he said he was an orthodox from rocor.  You never checked up on that.  So, you should shut up.


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    « Reply #69 on: June 16, 2012, 10:53:49 PM »
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  • Actually I did.  The office of the First Hierarch, their metropolitan, said otherwise. I don't know why you were told what you were told, and I do not doubt your word, but I am going with the information I was given.  Perhaps he was affiliated with ROCOR at one time.  As I recall, I asked if he was a ROCOR monk now.

    I will however shut up abut it because I have nothing new to say.
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    « Reply #70 on: June 18, 2012, 06:57:38 PM »
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    Actually I did.  The office of the First Hierarch, their metropolitan, said otherwise. I don't know why you were told what you were told, and I do not doubt your word, but I am going with the information I was given.  Perhaps he was affiliated with ROCOR at one time.  As I recall, I asked if he was a ROCOR monk now.

    I will however shut up abut it because I have nothing new to say.



    O.k., so you don't think I'm lying, you just think his bishop, from rocor is lying!  Did it ever occur to you that maybe the guy you talked to was wrong?  After all, he isn't as close to Br. Nathanael as the bishop that I emailed.  And, to be fair, I asked Br. Nathanael what his status was and he referred me to his bishop.  So, it stands to reason that maybe the guy you talked to wasn't aware.  


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    « Reply #71 on: June 18, 2012, 07:11:08 PM »
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  • That is certainly possible.  I think it is unlikely that the metropolitan would not know such things, but it could be that the person I talked to simply did not know and  lacked the time or motivation to investigate further.
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    « Reply #72 on: June 18, 2012, 07:41:53 PM »
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    That is certainly possible.  I think it is unlikely that the metropolitan would not know such things, but it could be that the person I talked to simply did not know and  lacked the time or motivation to investigate further.


    I would be inclined to think that, because his bishop seemed to know exactly who he was and he seemed to know a lot about him.  Also, Br. Nathanael referred me to the bishop.  In regards to br. nathanael's perceived "oddness," that seems easily explained, given his apparent background.  So, I wouldn't see any reason to doubt the bishop.  And, seeing how many people are so offended by br. nathanael, I wouldn't be surprised if some folks weren't anxious to associate themselves with him.  

    Also, I've noticed how some people successfully market themselves, by appearing "different" from everyone else.  He's certainly distinguished himself, in that regard.  So, that might have something to do with his success.  I don't see anything particularly wrong with it, provided it is restricted to certain venues (like not for a sunday morning sermon).  

    Also, people like jeff rense (for example), seem to use oddness as a shield.  It's hard to imagine anybody treating jeff rense as badly as ernst zundel or bishop williamson were treated, precisely because he portrays himself as a nut!   :laugh1:  I can't really fault a guy for that.  

    Still, with your background, I can see how you might be inclined to think br. nathanael is a fake and perhaps even has a malicious agenda.  

     







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    « Reply #73 on: June 18, 2012, 08:56:15 PM »
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  • I may not agree with Sigismund on The Jєωιѕн Question, I happen to agree with most other members here on principles; though I do believe there can be obsession on the issue- when the focus becomes more about Jew's than Jesus Christ, there's a problem. Its good to know about who the Banksters are; who controls the media and how it corrupts our children; etc.

    However, I wanted to say that I am disgusted by the utter vitriol spewed here. I understand we disagree with him, but Sigismund, in disagreeing with who this Brother Nathaniel is (or isn't- frankly I'd never heard of him until now), did so in a charitable manner- citing what he knew to be factual and logical. He also cited sources from e-mails he'd received from Orthodox officials only to be responded to with "put up or shut up" saying he was spewing "damn calumny".
     Give me a break.

    On behalf of Trad's, Sigismund- I'm sorry for these obtuse comments you find on here....

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    « Reply #74 on: June 18, 2012, 11:50:35 PM »
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    I may not agree with Sigismund on The Jєωιѕн Question, I happen to agree with most other members here on principles; though I do believe there can be obsession on the issue- when the focus becomes more about Jew's than Jesus Christ, there's a problem. Its good to know about who the Banksters are; who controls the media and how it corrupts our children; etc.

    However, I wanted to say that I am disgusted by the utter vitriol spewed here. I understand we disagree with him, but Sigismund, in disagreeing with who this Brother Nathaniel is (or isn't- frankly I'd never heard of him until now), did so in a charitable manner- citing what he knew to be factual and logical. He also cited sources from e-mails he'd received from Orthodox officials only to be responded to with "put up or shut up" saying he was spewing "damn calumny".
     Give me a break.

    On behalf of Trad's, Sigismund- I'm sorry for these obtuse comments you find on here....


    I think you see mountains, where there are only ant hills.  Of course, i've held grudges against other myself in the past.  All i can say is, you'd be better off without it.   :pray: