Author Topic: Traditional Groups the Reject BOD/BOB (Read 11911 times)

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #55 on:** July 25, 2018, 12:17:08 AM »

Quote from: MarylandTrad on July 16, 2018, 07:55:01 PM

The Church has been infiltrated by Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ over the last two centuries and as Br. Francis Maluf wisely remarked in one of his meditations on the secret society, “We are the Church militant. That means that a war is on. How can a man be a soldier of Jesus Christ if he knows neither the enemy nor the issue.”

The 1789 French Declaration of the Rights of Man contains the following article: “No one may be disturbed for his opinions, even religious ones, provided that their manifestation does not trouble the public order established by the law.” Anyone who has spent even a minimal amount of time studying the French philosophes would know that when it came to religion, dogma is what they expressed a hatred for more than anything else. They hated the “bigotry” and “intolerance” that follows from Catholics believing with absolute certainty that the dogmas which the Church proposes as divinely revealed are infallibly true.

One of their principal aims has been to attempt to reduce religion in the minds of men to a matter of mere opinion. All who reject dogma as the rule of faith necessarily aid them in their conspiracy. The Freemasons hate dogma in general but there is, of course, a particular dogma of the faith that bothers them more than all the others: the dogma about which Jean-Jacques Rousseau wrote the following in The Social Contract, “But whoever dares to say: Outside the Church there is no salvation, ought to be driven from the State.”

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Whenever the Freemasons conduct a ritual where they ridicule a Catholic pope, there is one Pope in particular they use, as if by default. And it seems their reason is not so much the person of this pope as it is what this particular Pope represents. For he is the one whose name (Pope Boniface VIII in Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302) is attached to the second of the 3 ex cathedra dogmatic definitions of EENS.

Namely,

“We declare, say, define, and pronounce

that it is absolutely necessary

for the salvation of every human creature

to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.”

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Sedevacantists likewise find this fact rather inconvenient.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #56 on:** July 25, 2018, 12:22:45 AM »

Quote from: Cantarella on July 24, 2018, 11:03:49 PM

None of [these] Catholic sources where speculative Baptism of Desire may appear are referring to Protestants, Jews, Moslems, Buddhist, or Hindus. All of them without exception are simply referring to the dying unfortunate catechumen (which already possesses the Faith of Christ and His Church; but dies desiring the water Baptism)

And Baptism of Blood is a completely different issue, which is basically martyrdom for the Faith of Christ and His Church.

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I have yet to see any convincing explanation that shows how anyone who dies as a Protestant, Jew, Moslem, Buddhist, Hindu or whatever, can die subject to the Roman Pontiff.

Cantarella · « **Reply #57 on:** July 25, 2018, 12:52:54 AM »

“We declare, say, define, and pronounce

that it is absolutely necessary

for the salvation of every human creature

to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.”

In his work Contra Errores Graecorum (Against the Greeks), the Angelic Doctor has an exclusive chapter on this very point:

St Thomas said in Chapter 38:

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Quod subesse Romano pontifici sit de necessitate salutis CHAPTER 38
That to be subject to the Roman Pontiff is necessary for salvation.
Ostenditur etiam quod subesse Romano pontifici sit de necessitate salutis. Dicit enim Cyrillus in libro thesaurorum: itaque, fratres mei, sic Christum imitamur, ut ipsius oves vocem eius audiamus, manentes in Ecclesia Petri, et non inflemur vento superbiae, ne forte tortuosus serpens propter nostram contentionem nos eiiciat, ut Evam olim de Paradiso. Et Maximus in epistola Orientalibus directa dicit: coadunatam et fundatam super petram confessionis Petri dicimus universalem Ecclesiam secundum definitionem salvatoris, in qua necessario salutis animarum nostrum est manere, et ei est obedire, suam servantes fidem et confessionem. It is also shown that to be subject to the Roman Pontiff is necessary for salvation. For Cyril says in his Thesaurus: “Therefore, brethren, if you imitate Christ so as to hear his voice remaining in the Church of Peter and so as not be puffed up by the wind of pride, lest perhaps because of our quarrelling the wily serpent drive us from paradise as once he did Eve.” And Maximus in the letter addressed to the Orientals says: “The Church united and established upon the rock of Peter’s confession we call according to the decree of the Savior the universal Church, wherein we must remain for the salvation of our souls and wherein loyal to his faith and confession we must obey him.”

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #58 on:** July 25, 2018, 01:12:31 AM »

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Cantarella, you're referring to things written by saints in previous centuries.

The dogma to which I refer was given ex cathedra definition in A.D. 1302, while St. Thomas had died a quarter century before that.
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If he had lived after 1302, who knows what he would have written? Certainly he would have subjected himself and everything he wrote to the authority of the Pope. He also denied the Immaculate Conception, but that would not be defined until 1854, 6 centuries later.
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St. Thomas Aquinas had a vision in which he was so terrified of what he had written in his Summa Theologiae, that when he awoke he commanded his servant to burn his books in the fireplace. His servant, however, disobeyed, and therefore we have the Summa today.
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So even the Angelic Doctor recognized his personal fallibility, and was willing to give up all his years of laborious study and authorship for the sake of doctrinal purity.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #59 on:** July 25, 2018, 01:12:57 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on July 18, 2018, 08:45:09 AM

Correct. St. Alphonsus is using the term implicit narrowly.

Explicit Desire for Baptism: "I intend to be baptized." (note that votum is much more than a "desire" but is always loosely translated as such).
Implicit Desire for Baptism: "I want to become a Catholic." (intention to be baptized implicit in the intention to become Catholic)

Now the modern heretics go, several steps removed, all the way down the line to ...
Implicit Desire: "I want to be a good person and do what God wants."

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It seems to be a bit deeper than this. Modernists today go all the way down to ...
Implicit Desire: "I have a vague longing for something good, and have an ambiguous hankering to do what some higher power, or the Great Architect of the Universe, would have me do, that is, if she exists."
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In a YouTube video conference +W testifies that when ABL first arrived at a remote village in Africa, where the Catholic Faith had never been preached, he did not find the 6th and 9th Commandments to be prominent sins. Rather, he said, the most rampant problem was the sin of hate. He said that nearly everyone in the village confessed having a practically uncontrollable and abiding hatred for something or someone else in the village.
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He (+W in the video) didn't take it to its logical conclusion, but I don't mind doing that. I ask:
How can anyone, who has habitually practiced abiding hate for his neighbor while living in a culture where this hatred is the norm not the exception, and has never heard of the Catholic Faith, die while making a perfect act of contrition, which requires the virtue of perfect charity?
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Baptism of desire presumes perfect charity, thereby perfect contrition, whereby justification without water baptism.

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