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Here is an exchange found among the 138
Comments under a video of +Williamson published in 2016. Jacob Snell offers as an answer a text he claims was part of the schema composed by ABL (which was later abandoned by the liberals in power at Vat.II) and replaced with the Vat.II docuмents we have today (the numbers 1-13 seem to be for footnotes which were not supplied):
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Question:
PhilipHowardMedia 1 year ago
"Does that mean that no Protestant, no Muslim, no Buddhist or animist will be saved? No" How is that not heretical? Protestants, Muslims etc are saved? He then explains the dogma away.
Answer:
Jacob Snell 1 year ago
+PhilipHowardMedia He continues, "The error consists in thinking that they are saved by their religion.
They are saved in their religion but not by it. There is no Buddhist church in heaven, no Protestant church. This is perhaps hard to accept, but it is the truth. I did not found the Church, but rather Our Lord the Son of God. As priests we must state the Truth." The Church has never believed that those that are not formal converts can be saved in a number known only to God.
To believe that no Protestant, Jew, Moslem, Buddhist, or Hindu can receive baptism of desire or of blood is to believe a heresy called Feeneyism, which was condemned by the Holy Office under Pius XII and John XXIII. .
Question:
PhilipHowardMedia 1 year ago (edited)
Jacob Snell But if they are saved by a mystery only known to God they would not be a Protestant, a Muslim etc etc and that is the problem here. Saved in their religion? Does that not mean they are outside the Church?
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Answer:
Jacob Snell 1 year ago
They are saved by receiving the grace of baptism through an implicit desire without an explicit desire. The schema for Vatican II authored primarily by Archbishop Lefebvre and Cardinal Ottaviani had this to say: "8. The Holy Synod teaches, as God's Holy Church has always taught, that the Church is necessary for salvation1
and that no one can be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded by God through Jesus Christ, nevertheless refuses to enter her or to persevere in her.2
Just as no one can be saved except by receiving baptism--by which anyone who does not pose some obstacle to incorporation3
becomes a member of the Church--or at least by desire for baptism,4
so also no one can attain salvation unless he is a member of the Church or at least is ordered towards the Church by desire. But for anyone to attain to salvation, it is not enough that he be really a member of the Church or be by desire ordered towards it; it is also required that he die in the state of grace, joined to God by faith, hope, and charity.5
"9. Although many real relations exist in the juridical6
and sacramental order, and indeed can exist in the mystical order,7
by which every baptized person is linked with the Church, still, according to the most ancient tradition, only they are called members of the Church in the true and proper sense in whom the Church, one and indivisible, indefectible and infallible, comes together in unity of faith, sacraments and government. They, therefore, are truly and properly to be said to be members of the Church who, washed in the bath of regeneration, professing the true Catholic faith, and acknowledging the authority of the Church,8
are joined in its visible structure9
to its Head, Christ, who rules it through his Vicar,10
and have not been cut off from the structure of the Mystical Body because of very serious offences.11
As for those ordered by desire towards the Church, these include not only catechumens,12
who, moved by the Spirit, consciously and explicitly desire to enter the Church, but also those who, even if not knowing that the Catholic Church is the true and sole Church of Christ, still, by God's grace, implicitly and unknowingly desire the equivalent,13
either because they sincerely will what Christ himself wills or because, though ignorant of Christ, they sincerely desire to fulfill the will of God their Creator. The gifts of heavenly grace will never be wanting to those who sincerely desire and ask to be renewed by the divine light."
God is just and does not condemn those who through no fault of their own do not know Christ or his Church.
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