Author Topic: THE CASE AGAINST FATHER FEENEY (Read 11725 times)

Jehanne · « **Reply #45 on:** October 05, 2009, 11:31:50 AM »

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Jesus said (DRBO.org is not working) that no one goes to the Father, but by Him.......finite....

back to you Pope CM......

My and CM's views are pretty close. Bod and BoB apply only to catechumens, and no one else. This is the immemorial faith of the Church.

Then sacramental Baptism is NOT absolutely required for salvation. Supernatural Faith and Charity are sufficient in some cases.

Absolutely not. The "faith" must be explicit faith in Jesus Christ. If you do not acknowledge that, I see no reason to discuss this any further with you.

Jehanne · « **Reply #46 on:** October 05, 2009, 11:35:28 AM »

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Oh, and to make my position absolutely clear, I think that Pius XII was a heretic.

um......uh huh.......ok.......

He taught the heresy of "implicit faith"; hence, "implicit membership" in the Church. We've been through this, so I see no need to keep repeating myself. So, at this point, I am done. Last post for this thread, as we are going (once again) in circles. :light-saber:

SJB · « **Reply #47 on:** October 05, 2009, 01:51:58 PM »

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Jesus said (DRBO.org is not working) that no one goes to the Father, but by Him.......finite....

back to you Pope CM......

My and CM's views are pretty close. Bod and BoB apply only to catechumens, and no one else. This is the immemorial faith of the Church.

Then sacramental Baptism is NOT absolutely required for salvation. Supernatural Faith and Charity are sufficient in some cases.

Absolutely not. The "faith" must be explicit faith in Jesus Christ. If you do not acknowledge that, I see no reason to discuss this any further with you.

Then sacramental Baptism is NOT absolutely required for salvation. Is that right?

Jehanne · « **Reply #48 on:** October 05, 2009, 02:32:41 PM »

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Jesus said (DRBO.org is not working) that no one goes to the Father, but by Him.......finite....

back to you Pope CM......

My and CM's views are pretty close. Bod and BoB apply only to catechumens, and no one else. This is the immemorial faith of the Church.

Then sacramental Baptism is NOT absolutely required for salvation. Supernatural Faith and Charity are sufficient in some cases.

Absolutely not. The "faith" must be explicit faith in Jesus Christ. If you do not acknowledge that, I see no reason to discuss this any further with you.

Then sacramental Baptism is NOT absolutely required for salvation. Is that right?

Okay, this is it!! Sacramental Baptism is absolutely required for salvation or at least the explicit vow for it. Two and only options are available for eternal life:

1) Get validly and fruitfully baptized and die without mortal sin.

2) Have the explicit vow to do #1 and have it on your calendar/schedule, but through no fault of your own, die without being able to do it. Very rare, by the way, as one could get baptized conditionally after death.

Please note that Option #2 is not a guarantee of making it, so standard disclaimers apply. As always, be sure to read the fine print.

SJB · « **Reply #49 on:** October 05, 2009, 02:47:31 PM »

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Jesus said (DRBO.org is not working) that no one goes to the Father, but by Him.......finite....

back to you Pope CM......

My and CM's views are pretty close. Bod and BoB apply only to catechumens, and no one else. This is the immemorial faith of the Church.

Then sacramental Baptism is NOT absolutely required for salvation. Supernatural Faith and Charity are sufficient in some cases.

Absolutely not. The "faith" must be explicit faith in Jesus Christ. If you do not acknowledge that, I see no reason to discuss this any further with you.

Then sacramental Baptism is NOT absolutely required for salvation. Is that right?

Okay, this is it!! Sacramental Baptism is absolutely required for salvation or at least the explicit vow for it. Two and only options are available for eternal life:

1) Get validly and fruitfully baptized and die without mortal sin.

2) Have the explicit vow to do #1 and have it on your calendar/schedule, but through no fault of your own, die without being able to do it. Very rare, by the way, as one could get baptized conditionally after death.

Please note that Option #2 is not a guarantee of making it, so standard disclaimers apply. As always, be sure to read the fine print.

What is it, jehanne?

Are you now suddenly asserting your manhood?

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Sacramental Baptism is absolutely required for salvation or at least the explicit vow for it.

So the Sacrament itself IS NOT REQUIRED in all cases.

Is that right? A simple yes will suffice.

Jehanne · « **Reply #50 on:** October 05, 2009, 02:54:23 PM »

Ouch! My name is "Don." Now, fair's fair. Are you male or female? Besides, why bring my "manliness" into it?

Sacramental Baptism is required in all cases.

SJB · « **Reply #51 on:** October 05, 2009, 03:05:19 PM »

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Ouch! My name is "Don." Now, fair's fair. Are you male or female? Besides, why bring my "manliness" into it?

Sacramental Baptism is required in all cases.

It was a joke, Don. Sorry.

Now, how can you say this? Explicit desire is NOT a Sacrament.

Jehanne · « **Reply #52 on:** October 05, 2009, 03:12:22 PM »

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Ouch! My name is "Don." Now, fair's fair. Are you male or female? Besides, why bring my "manliness" into it?

Sacramental Baptism is required in all cases.

It was a joke, Don. Sorry.

Now, how can you say this? Explicit desire is NOT a Sacrament.

You never answered my question. The Sacrament would need to be performed after death, conditionally, or in Purgatory. Christ no doubt baptized those holy souls in the Limbo of the Just, after his death but prior to his Resurrection. The same would need to occur with a catechumen.

SJB · « **Reply #53 on:** October 05, 2009, 04:11:40 PM »

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Ouch! My name is "Don." Now, fair's fair. Are you male or female? Besides, why bring my "manliness" into it?

Sacramental Baptism is required in all cases.

It was a joke, Don. Sorry.

Now, how can you say this? Explicit desire is NOT a Sacrament.

You never answered my question. The Sacrament would need to be performed after death, conditionally, or in Purgatory. Christ no doubt baptized those holy souls in the Limbo of the Just, after his death but prior to his Resurrection. The same would need to occur with a catechumen.

Do you have a source for this? A Sacrament after death administered in purgatory?

CM · « **Reply #54 on:** October 05, 2009, 04:23:14 PM »

Come on Don, don't you see how baptism of desire forces you to avoid answering questions straight up? It's a heresy. Let it go.

Jehanne · « **Reply #55 on:** October 05, 2009, 04:52:30 PM »

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Come on Don, don't you see how baptism of desire forces you to avoid answering questions straight up? It's a heresy. Let it go.

SJB is a heretic, and I am done talking with her.

SJB · « **Reply #56 on:** October 05, 2009, 05:02:56 PM »

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Come on Don, don't you see how baptism of desire forces you to avoid answering questions straight up? It's a heresy. Let it go.

SJB is a heretic, and I am done talking with him.

So now, ladies and gentleman, if any have followed this conversation, which I doubt; is it the Sedevacantist or the Feeneyite who gives traditionalists a bad name?

Pius XII was a heretic, Pius XI was, Benedict XV was...St. Thomas was...until they find quoting him useful. You fellows are doing your best to make this place a joke.

CM · « **Reply #57 on:** October 05, 2009, 05:38:39 PM »

SJB, I never said Aquinas was a heretic. That judgment has been made in the negative by the external forum, by way of his canonization. That doesn't mean that he was right about all of his teachings, though.

And as for the others, I don't yet know of any heresies by Pius XI, though he was subject to the publicly heretical Benedict XV, as was Pius XII, who was also publicly heretical. Their works speak for themselves, for those with eyes to see and ears to hear.

CM · « **Reply #58 on:** October 05, 2009, 05:39:16 PM »

SJB are you a boy or a girl.

SJB · « **Reply #59 on:** October 05, 2009, 06:05:15 PM »

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SJB, I never said Aquinas was a heretic. That judgment has been made in the negative by the external forum, by way of his canonization. That doesn't mean that he was right about all of his teachings, though.

And as for the others, I don't yet know of any heresies by Pius XI, though he was subject to the publicly heretical Benedict XV, as was Pius XII, who was also publicly heretical. Their works speak for themselves, for those with eyes to see and ears to hear.

So now, ladies and gentleman, if any have followed this conversation, which I doubt; is it the Sedevacantist or the Feeneyite who gives traditionalists a bad name?