Author Topic: THE CASE AGAINST FATHER FEENEY (Read 27005 times)

Jehanne · « **Reply #45 on:** October 05, 2009, 11:31:50 AM »

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Jesus said (DRBO.org is not working) that no one goes to the Father, but by Him.......finite....

back to you Pope CM......

My and CM's views are pretty close. Bod and BoB apply only to catechumens, and no one else. This is the immemorial faith of the Church.

Then sacramental Baptism is NOT absolutely required for salvation. Supernatural Faith and Charity are sufficient in some cases.

Absolutely not. The "faith" must be explicit faith in Jesus Christ. If you do not acknowledge that, I see no reason to discuss this any further with you.

Jehanne · « **Reply #46 on:** October 05, 2009, 11:35:28 AM »

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Oh, and to make my position absolutely clear, I think that Pius XII was a heretic.

um......uh huh.......ok.......

He taught the heresy of "implicit faith"; hence, "implicit membership" in the Church. We've been through this, so I see no need to keep repeating myself. So, at this point, I am done. Last post for this thread, as we are going (once again) in circles. :light-saber:

SJB · « **Reply #47 on:** October 05, 2009, 01:51:58 PM »

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Jesus said (DRBO.org is not working) that no one goes to the Father, but by Him.......finite....

back to you Pope CM......

My and CM's views are pretty close. Bod and BoB apply only to catechumens, and no one else. This is the immemorial faith of the Church.

Then sacramental Baptism is NOT absolutely required for salvation. Supernatural Faith and Charity are sufficient in some cases.

Absolutely not. The "faith" must be explicit faith in Jesus Christ. If you do not acknowledge that, I see no reason to discuss this any further with you.

Then sacramental Baptism is NOT absolutely required for salvation. Is that right?

Jehanne · « **Reply #48 on:** October 05, 2009, 02:32:41 PM »

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Jesus said (DRBO.org is not working) that no one goes to the Father, but by Him.......finite....

back to you Pope CM......

My and CM's views are pretty close. Bod and BoB apply only to catechumens, and no one else. This is the immemorial faith of the Church.

Then sacramental Baptism is NOT absolutely required for salvation. Supernatural Faith and Charity are sufficient in some cases.

Absolutely not. The "faith" must be explicit faith in Jesus Christ. If you do not acknowledge that, I see no reason to discuss this any further with you.

Then sacramental Baptism is NOT absolutely required for salvation. Is that right?

Okay, this is it!! Sacramental Baptism is absolutely required for salvation or at least the explicit vow for it. Two and only options are available for eternal life:

1) Get validly and fruitfully baptized and die without mortal sin.

2) Have the explicit vow to do #1 and have it on your calendar/schedule, but through no fault of your own, die without being able to do it. Very rare, by the way, as one could get baptized conditionally after death.

Please note that Option #2 is not a guarantee of making it, so standard disclaimers apply. As always, be sure to read the fine print.

SJB · « **Reply #49 on:** October 05, 2009, 02:47:31 PM »

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Jesus said (DRBO.org is not working) that no one goes to the Father, but by Him.......finite....

back to you Pope CM......

My and CM's views are pretty close. Bod and BoB apply only to catechumens, and no one else. This is the immemorial faith of the Church.

Then sacramental Baptism is NOT absolutely required for salvation. Supernatural Faith and Charity are sufficient in some cases.

Absolutely not. The "faith" must be explicit faith in Jesus Christ. If you do not acknowledge that, I see no reason to discuss this any further with you.

Then sacramental Baptism is NOT absolutely required for salvation. Is that right?

Okay, this is it!! Sacramental Baptism is absolutely required for salvation or at least the explicit vow for it. Two and only options are available for eternal life:

1) Get validly and fruitfully baptized and die without mortal sin.

2) Have the explicit vow to do #1 and have it on your calendar/schedule, but through no fault of your own, die without being able to do it. Very rare, by the way, as one could get baptized conditionally after death.

Please note that Option #2 is not a guarantee of making it, so standard disclaimers apply. As always, be sure to read the fine print.

What is it, jehanne?

Are you now suddenly asserting your manhood?

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Sacramental Baptism is absolutely required for salvation or at least the explicit vow for it.

So the Sacrament itself IS NOT REQUIRED in all cases.

Is that right? A simple yes will suffice.