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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: People needing baptism, raised from the dead, etc.
« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2017, 06:29:56 PM »
Quote from: MyrnaM on August 17, 2017, 03:42:39 PM
Had I credibility in your mind?

Yeah, I found that statement surprising as well.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: People needing baptism, raised from the dead, etc.
« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2017, 06:32:14 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on August 17, 2017, 12:52:51 PM
On the contrary, I look at the entire body of evidence objectively.  I've never condemned anyone for believing in BoD.  I've condemned Pelagianism, denial of EENS, modernist ecclesiology, and heretical denial of Trent's dogmatic teaching that the Sacraments are necessary for salvation.  I've taken note of the fact that many theologians believe in BoD, but it's clear from the evidence that there's no proof for this opinion and that it's just their personal opinion, an opinion with which I disagree.  I have no issues with someone believing in BoD provided that they do not simultaneously undermine EENS, promote heretical ecclesiology, advocate Pelagianism, and deny the necessity of the Sacraments (even mockingly deriding them in language identical to that of the Protestants).  So far only two BoDers on CI (Arvinger and Nishant) have met these criteria.

Oh, yes, I forgot Matto.  My apologies to him.  He also believes in a Catholic version of the BoD hypothesis.
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Offline Neil Obstat

Re: People needing baptism, raised from the dead, etc.
« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2017, 06:52:11 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on August 17, 2017, 06:32:14 PM

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...I have no issues with someone believing in BoD provided that they do not simultaneously undermine EENS, promote heretical ecclesiology, advocate Pelagianism, and deny the necessity of the Sacraments (even mockingly deriding them in language identical to that of the Protestants).  So far only two BoDers on CI (Arvinger and Nishant) have met these criteria.

Oh, yes, I forgot Matto.  My apologies to him.  He also believes in a Catholic version of the BoD hypothesis.
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It seems rather commonplace for BoB/BoD to go hand in hand with sedevacantism. I don't know any of the latter who are not also adherents of the former. Your post seems to support that too:  as far as I could tell, Arvinger, Nishant and Matto are not sedes.
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Offline DZ PLEASE

Re: People needing baptism, raised from the dead, etc.
« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2017, 06:54:10 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on August 17, 2017, 06:29:56 PM
Yeah, I found that statement surprising as well.
1. Is she Catholic?
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Offline Matto

Re: People needing baptism, raised from the dead, etc.
« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2017, 09:46:18 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on August 17, 2017, 06:32:14 PM
Oh, yes, I forgot Matto.  My apologies to him.  He also believes in a Catholic version of the BoD hypothesis.
Yes, I do believe in BOD and BOB in the way you describe. But I have no animosity towards Father Feeney like many believers in BOD and I consider those who deny BOD and BOB to be Catholics generally. I consider Father Feeney to have been a good priest as far as I know (but I don't know much about him really and have never read much of his writings except for some issues of "The Point" which I liked) and would not be surprised if he was in heaven, even though I believe in BOD and BOB, and I believe many of his enemies were really heretics.
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