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Offline DZ PLEASE

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Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
« Reply #180 on: August 25, 2017, 08:27:54 PM »
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  • Likely not. I wonder sometimes whether I'm in some kind of prolonged psychotic break, kinda like when a drunk writes down the "secrets of the universe" inspired by the spirits of Bourbon, only you have to be wasted to "understand it".

    The thread cometh apart, although upon reflection...

    ah well. *shrugs




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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
    « Reply #181 on: August 26, 2017, 07:30:20 PM »
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  • I'm beginning to think that LoT is on someone's payroll to post here.  He only posts Monday through Friday during earlyish first shift hours.  Either that or he sits at work posting here all day.  He seems to get a post in every 10 seconds.


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    Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
    « Reply #182 on: August 26, 2017, 07:34:08 PM »
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  • I'm beginning to think that LoT is on someone's payroll to post here.  He only posts Monday through Friday during earlyish first shift hours.  Either that or he sits at work posting here all day.  He seems to get a post in every 10 seconds.
    Shady either way. Something at right that situation.

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    Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
    « Reply #183 on: August 28, 2017, 08:32:57 AM »
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  • Only if you're an idiot like St. Thomas Aquinas who doesn't know or properly understand Scripture.

    PS:  You still have not admitted fault and retracted that statement, LoT.  I'm waiting.
    I had a bad opinion after seeing your underhanded tactics Ladislaus.  But this really takes the cake.  Show the link where this is stated.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
    « Reply #184 on: August 28, 2017, 08:33:45 AM »
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  • It looks like we have two strict feeneyites who believe one can be justified but not in the state of sanctifying grace.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    Re: Can one be Justified and not be in a state of Sanctifying Grace?
    « Reply #185 on: September 06, 2017, 12:32:04 PM »
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  • From Saint Alphonsus:

    Many years ago a celebrated architect built a magnificent palace. When he had completed the costly edifice he gave it to some friends for their dwelling. But, these soon behaved badly, and became a scandal to the whole neighborhood. People often said: "Why was so splendid a palace erected for such wicked wretches?" At last the king arrived and took possession of the palace. He pardoned the servants and tried to make them good again. Then the people said: "Now we understand why this magnificent palace was built; it was for the king."

    The architect in this parable is God the Father. He built a magnificent palace - the world. He put into it his friends - Adam and Eve. They soon behaved badly; and the angels asked, "Why was so splendid a palace - the world - created for these wicked people?"

    At last the King, Jesus Christ, arrived. He pardoned the servants and tried to make them good again, and the angels exclaimed : "Now we understand why this great palace - the world - was made; it was for Jesus Christ, the King of the world."

    God decreed from all eternity to create the world as a dwelling-place for men, where, by a holy life, they should gain an eternal reward. He foresaw from all eternity that men would not live up to the end of their creation. God would then have been frustrated in his design, had he not decreed from all eternity the Incarnation for the redemption of the human race. It was, therefore, principally for the sake of the God-Man that the world was created. He was to come for the justification and glorification of man.

    Hence St. Thomas Aquinas says: Ordo naturae creatus est et institutus propter ordinem gratiae.

    The principal end of the creation of the universe is, first, Jesus Christ, and, secondly, that the elect may receive here below the grace of God through Christ. Although it is true that the world existed before the Son of God became man, nevertheless, in the plan of creation and redemption, Jesus Christ is prior to the world. On this account St. Paul calls Jesus Christ the beginning, the first-born from the dead, that, in all things, he may hold the primacy: because in him it hath pleased the Father that all fulness should dwell, and through him to reconcile all things unto himself, making peace through the blood of the cross, both as to the things on earth, and the things that are in heaven. (Coloss. i. 18-20.)

    There is, therefore, a certain intimate union between the creation of the world and the nativity of Christ. God did not wish that Christ should be born except in this world; and again, he did not wish that this world should exist without Jesus Christ. Nay, it was chiefly for his sake, as we have said, that God created the world and for his sake has preserved it and shall continue to preserve it to the end of time.

    God had decreed to institute through him the order of grace, that is, the order of the justification and glorification of the elect.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

     

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