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Offline Cantarella

Re: Genuinely curious - rejection of Baptism and the Council of Trent
« Reply #85 on: May 31, 2018, 11:47:34 AM »
St. Thomas Aquinas on the necessity of being subject to the Roman Pontiff for salvation:

From Contra Errores Graecorum:

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Caput 38
Quod subesse Romano pontifici sit de necessitate salutis		CHAPTER 38
That to be subject to the Roman Pontiff is necessary for salvation.
Ostenditur etiam quod subesse Romano pontifici sit de necessitate salutis. Dicit enim Cyrillus in libro thesaurorum: itaque, fratres mei, sic Christum imitamur, ut ipsius oves vocem eius audiamus, manentes in Ecclesia Petri, et non inflemur vento superbiae, ne forte tortuosus serpens propter nostram contentionem nos eiiciat, ut Evam olim de Paradiso. Et Maximus in epistola Orientalibus directa dicit: coadunatam et fundatam super petram confessionis Petri dicimus universalem Ecclesiam secundum definitionem salvatoris, in qua necessario salutis animarum nostrum est manere, et ei est obedire, suam servantes fidem et confessionem.It is also shown that to be subject to the Roman Pontiff is necessary for salvation. For Cyril says in his Thesaurus: “Therefore, brethren, if you imitate Christ so as to hear his voice remaining in the Church of Peter and so as not be puffed up by the wind of pride, lest perhaps because of our quarrelling the wily serpent drive us from paradise as once he did Eve.” And Maximus in the letter addressed to the Orientals says: “The Church united and established upon the rock of Peter’s confession we call according to the decree of the Savior the universal Church, wherein we must remain for the salvation of our souls and wherein loyal to his faith and confession we must obey him.”



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Offline aryzia

Re: Genuinely curious - rejection of Baptism and the Council of Trent
« Reply #86 on: May 31, 2018, 11:48:06 AM »
Quote from: JohnAnthonyMarie on May 31, 2018, 11:41:59 AM
onus probandi incuмbit ei qui dicit, non ei qui negat

http://www.traditionalmass.org/images/articles/BaptDes-Proofed.pdf
Which points in the link do you consider an error and why?
I just wanted to point out your error
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Offline JohnAnthonyMarie

Re: Genuinely curious - rejection of Baptism and the Council of Trent
« Reply #87 on: May 31, 2018, 11:51:35 AM »
Quote from: aryzia on May 31, 2018, 11:48:06 AM
I just wanted to point out your error
What exactly is that?
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Genuinely curious - rejection of Baptism and the Council of Trent
« Reply #88 on: May 31, 2018, 11:53:56 AM »
Quote from: JohnAnthonyMarie on May 31, 2018, 11:41:59 AM
http://www.traditionalmass.org/images/articles/BaptDes-Proofed.pdf
Which points in the link do you consider an error and why?
Section V
Points 1, 2 and 3.

He conveniently (intentionally?) misquotes Pope Pius IX in his point #1, which effectively nullifies points 2 and 3 - as well as his own little chart. Same crap Fr. Cekada has always done in his attempts to justify all his errors.

No sense to critique the rest of that link, it's all crap.


 
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Offline aryzia

Re: Genuinely curious - rejection of Baptism and the Council of Trent
« Reply #89 on: May 31, 2018, 11:54:45 AM »
Quote from: JohnAnthonyMarie on May 31, 2018, 11:51:35 AM
What exactly is that?
It's obvious in my first post. You accused someone of ad hominem attacks when he was addressing the points. Ask him what he objects to.
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