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Fr. Feeney and Feeneyism
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2011, 10:47:33 AM »
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Here is my most concise answer on Fr. Feeney: Fr. Feeney taught that, although one could theoretically be justified by BOD, nevertheless, that person STILL does not have what is required to go to heaven: The sacramental character of baptism.

This is an act of heresy, BOD was always taught throughout the history of the church, there are Saints that were from BOB and BOD is also in the Catechism of Trent.

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Ordinarily They Are Not Baptised At Once
On adults, however, the Church has not been accustomed to confer the Sacrament of Baptism at once, but has ordained that it be deferred for a certain time. The delay is not attended with the same danger as in the case of infants, which we have already mentioned; should any unforeseen accident make it impossible for adults to be washed in the salutary waters, their intention and determination to receive Baptism and their repentance for past sins, will avail them to grace and righteousness.

Nay, this delay seems to be attended with some advantages. And first, since the Church must take particular care that none approach this Sacrament through hypocrisy and dissimulation, the intentions of such as seek Baptism, are better examined and ascertained. Hence it is that we read in the decrees of ancient Councils that Jєωιѕн converts to the Catholic faith, before admission to Baptism, should spend some months in the ranks of the catechumens.

Furthermore, the candidate for Baptism is thus better instructed in the doctrine of the faith which he is to profess, and in the practices of the Christian life. Finally, when Baptism is administered to adults with solemn ceremonies on the appointed days of Easter and Pentecost only greater religious reverence is shown to the Sacrament.

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« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2011, 11:02:15 AM »
Why is it an act of heresy? Does not Our Lord Himself command that without water there is no salvation? Further, no one is bound to believe in BOD as it is not a dogma, as regards baptism, only Sacramental Baptism is binding.

At any rate, there is no "unforeseen accident" to God.


Fr. Feeney and Feeneyism
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2011, 11:16:17 AM »
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Why is it an act of heresy? Does not Our Lord Himself command that without water there is no salvation? Further, no one is bound to believe in BOD as it is not a dogma, as regards baptism, only Sacramental Baptism is binding.

At any rate, there is no "unforeseen accident" to God.


It is a Dogma, Extraordinary Magisterium which you are asking for, is defined Dogma. ordinary Magisterium, which BOD and BOB pertain are Dogma's undefined but still required assent.


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« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2011, 11:37:07 AM »
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Why is it an act of heresy? Does not Our Lord Himself command that without water there is no salvation? Further, no one is bound to believe in BOD as it is not a dogma, as regards baptism, only Sacramental Baptism is binding.

At any rate, there is no "unforeseen accident" to God.


It is a Dogma, Extraordinary Magisterium which you are asking for, is defined Dogma. ordinary Magisterium, which BOD and BOB pertain are Dogma's undefined but still required assent.



One of the marks of a Dogma is that it's meaning does not change and we are bound to believe it because it was always a part of the Deposit of Faith.

BOD has dozens if not hundreds of different meanings, theological opinions and applications - the one thing they all seem to revolve around is the "unforeseen accident" or the "death bed conversion" -  and though it has been taught but because there are so many different meanings, it is not a dogma, certainly not defined, and no one is bound to believe it. As such, one who chooses not to believe in BOD is not guilty of any heresy - obviously the same cannot be said of  Sacramental Baptism.


Fr. Feeney and Feeneyism
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2011, 11:42:33 AM »
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Why is it an act of heresy? Does not Our Lord Himself command that without water there is no salvation? Further, no one is bound to believe in BOD as it is not a dogma, as regards baptism, only Sacramental Baptism is binding.

At any rate, there is no "unforeseen accident" to God.


It is a Dogma, Extraordinary Magisterium which you are asking for, is defined Dogma. ordinary Magisterium, which BOD and BOB pertain are Dogma's undefined but still required assent.



One of the marks of a Dogma is that it's meaning does not change and we are bound to believe it because it was always a part of the Deposit of Faith.

BOD has dozens if not hundreds of different meanings, theological opinions and applications - the one thing they all seem to revolve around is the "unforeseen accident" or the "death bed conversion" -  and though it has been taught but because there are so many different meanings, it is not a dogma, certainly not defined, and no one is bound to believe it. As such, one who chooses not to believe in BOD is not guilty of any heresy - obviously the same cannot be said of  Sacramental Baptism.



This is false, BOD has been taught always by the Catholic Church, the fact someone or some people may have had heretically misinterpreted it is irrellevant. Your Definition of a Dogma is also false, Dogma is that which came from Christ or the Apostles and handed down to us through scripture or tradition.

Furthermore you are contradicting the official Catechism of the Catholic Church created by Trent and used for all Priests up until present Crisis in the Church.

I have not seen these dozens of different meanings, nor do I care about them, When someone is on their way to be baptized or is a catechuman and dies before recieving Baptism they are given sactifying grace through their desire to Join the Kingdom of Heaven.