yet you arbitrarily shut the door on baptism.

There is nothing of arbitration in my position.  Fidelity to the logical consequences of a literal reading of the Infallible Magisterium, which is the final authority on Scripture and Tradition, to recede from which in the least degree is heresy.

You do this because you misunderstand the decrees of the Church.

I read and believe them as they were declared.

Once you've admitted that God can and does in principle at least work outside of the sacraments, you're very special pleading is obvious when it comes to baptism.

Show me a dogmatic quote that states that all men must receive the sacrament of the Most Holy Eucharist for salvation, without exception.  Such a quote does not exist.

Show me a dogmatic quote that states a person cannot enter heaven unless they confess their sins before death.  Such a quote does not exist.

Numerous quotes have been cited, which state that a person MUST be born again of water and the Spirit to enter heaven, and these same quotes describe the sacrament of baptism, which alone is the instrumental cause of justification, or they cannot enter heaven.

You say "all but this one."  LOL...on what grounds?

That's called selectively reading what I post, and ignoring most of it.

Certainly not tradition since you reject catholic tradition.

Tradition is any practice, doctrine or custom, which has been held universally from antiquity in the Church.

Shall I show again that Catholic Tradition has in fact prohibited offering sacrifices for the souls of unbaptized catechumens?  I do not reject Tradition.  It seems that the person quoted above does not understand what exactly constitutes Tradition.

A certain  statement in the funeral oration of St. Ambrose over the Emperor Valentinian II has been brought forward as a proof that the Church offered sacrifices and prayers for catechumens who died before baptism. There is not a vestige of such a custom to be found anywhere. St. Ambrose may have done so for the soul of the catechumen Valentinian, but this would be a solitary instance, and it was done apparently because he believed that the emperor had had the baptism of desire. The practice of the Church is more correctly shown in the canon (xvii) of the Second Council of Braga: "Neither the commemoration of Sacrifice [oblationis] nor the service of chanting [psallendi] is to be employed for catechumens who have died without the redemption of baptism."

You cannot get around this Tradition of the Church.  You either have to say that it is evil if baptism of desire is true, or you have to say that it is good, and that baptism of desire is not true.

Follow tradition and the Fathers and the Magisterium and you won't go wrong.

I follow the Magisterium.  I follow Tradition.  I follow the Fathers in all things were they were unanimous in their interpretation of Scripture and Tradition.

Vladimir, please don't tell me you are buying the weak argument that equates a Divinely instituted discipline, which is subject to change, according to the good pleasure of God, with a Divinely revealed dogma, which is irreformable, according to His own words.

CM, the reason why the Church doesn't offer public prayers for those who die outside the visible confines of the Church is because the Church judges in the external forum.  You falsely infer from this that baptism of desire is impossible.  Yet another glaring fallacy mutilating your understanding of Catholic doctrine.  

168. Can they be saved who remain outside the Catholic Church because they do not know it is the true Church?
They who remain outside the Catholic Church through no grave fault of their own and do not know it is the true Church, can be saved by making use of the graces which God gives them.

Nope, sorry.  Not if they remain outside of the Catholic Church.  If they remain outside and die, then they are saved OUTSIDE the Church according to this nonsense.

(a) Those who are outside the Church through no fault of their own are not culpable in the sight of God because of their invincible ignorance.

This part is true, because they have no way to know (invincible ignorance) of the true Faith and the true God, they cannot be punished for infidelity to the same.  Pope Pius IX taught this.

"Those who are in invincible ignorance of our most holy religion, but who observe carefully the natural law graven by God on the hearts of all men, and who, being disposed to obey God, lead an honest and upright life, aided by divine grace, attain to eternal life."

Aided by divine light and grace, the two things we need to BRING US INTO THE FAITH WHERE WE CAN ATTAIN ETERNAL LIFE.

But what heretical additions are made by these heretics?

(b) Persons who make use of the graces God gives them, even though they are not members of the true Church, actually have the desire to become members inasmuch as they wish to use all the means ordained by God for their salvation.

People who have never heard of Jesus Christ want to be part of His body!?!

(c) We should pray and try to persuade others to investigate the teachings of the Catholic Church because charity obliges us to do all we can to lead others to salvation. We should also pray for Catholic missionaries and help them in their work of bringing the faith to those outside the Catholic Church.

This is true!  And why?  Because they WILL be damned otherwise!

Those who through no fault of theirs die without Baptism, though they have never committed sin, cannot enter Heaven - neither will they go to Hell. After the Last Judgment there will be no Purgatory. Where, then, will they go? God in His goodness will provide a place of rest for them, where they will not suffer and will be in a state of natural peace; but they will never see God or Heaven.

If they are inside the Church, then why can't they go to Heaven?  But he doesn't say they are inside the Church.  So if they never entered, then they must have original sin, which is not committed but contracted.  But Ruby thinks they will not go to hell if they only have original sin but never commit a sin.

Pope Eugene IV says otherwise, yet you heretics want to believe Catechisms over Infallible Papal pronouncments.

"...all those who are outside the catholic church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Catholic Church before the end of their lives;"

You post this rot, despite the blatant heresy.  You are no lover of Truth.

But it gets worse.  Do you actually believe all this garbage?

1613. You are much more tolerant towards Pagans than you are towards Protestants whom you doom to hell because they don't belong to your Church.

The Catholic Church does not teach that Protestants are doomed to hell

WHAT!?!?!

Lover of MADNESS!!!

Regarding perpetual virginity of Mary ever-virgin I was merely pointing out how people come to erreneous conclusions when taking quotes out of context:

The heretical protestants say "Jesus had brothers" therefore Mary had children.

The heretical feeneyites say; "No Salvation Outside the Church" therefore no one who has not been baptized can be saved.

I want to see if Catholic Martyr has the integrity to admit when he is wrong or to grant a legitimate point if not we must suppose he has been so loud and proud about his heresy that he would be to embarrest to concede the point.

I read somewhere that someone said BOB/D is not any Catechisms.  I believe Catholic Martyr said this though I could be wrong.

Catholic Martyr - do you concede the fact that BOB/D is taught in approved Catholic Catechisms not directed towards the kiddies?

Do you admit that if the Church cannonized someone they believed was not baptized with water that they must believe in BOB/D?

If you answer either of the above questions incorrectly then we know what we are dealing with and we can only hope to convert those with humility and a sincere heart.

Belloc, you are missing the point.  It is an infallible statement.  God the Holy Ghost said "all those who are outside"

He did not say "all those who think they are outside"

or

"all those who choose to be outside"

You find yourself resorting to the Modernist proposition that this decree is not in fact a TRUTH FALLEN FROM HEAVEN.

Exactly.  If you have a Modernist viewpoint, a decree can have been declared in a sense that in no way follows from the actual words of the same decree.

Belloc, you are missing the point.  It is an infallible statement.  God the Holy Ghost said "all those who are outside"

He did not say "all those who think they are outside"

or

"all those who choose to be outside"

You find yourself resorting to the Modernist proposition that this decree is not in fact a TRUTH FALLEN FROM HEAVEN.

What about infants who are baptized by non-Catholic priests and/or ministers?